Sixteen-year-old boy undergoes sex change operation after "dreaming of being a girl since age 2"

[The Stig]

Ah it's fine, doesn't bother me, but it did seem a bit too girlish overall while reading that thread which then I felt a bit suspicious, but not curious. Thanks.

[Gregorio]

so in your definition of a woman, they have to have working ovaries, have periods, and have a "womanly" form

3 things a lot of women don't have, gotcha.

There is a lot of science to back up this "girl born in a boy's body" too, do searches and read a few articles. It's pretty fascinating stuff

No. My definition of a woman is to actually be a woman. Naturally. Not through science.

I thought that someone would point out the "not all woman can have babies" line, but I figured that people wouldn't take it there because it was pretty obvious what I meant. Guess I was wrong. Whatever, bang all the man-women you want. I'll avoid and continue to think they're weirdos.

[Demosthenes11]

No. My definition of a woman is to actually be a woman. Naturally. Not through science.

I thought that someone would point out the "not all woman can have babies" line, but I figured that people wouldn't take it there because it was pretty obvious what I meant. Guess I was wrong. Whatever, bang all the man-women you want. I'll avoid and continue to think they're weirdos.

gay's are weirdo's too right? they just need to get over it when they don't play their "gender roles" correctly

the fact that your definition of a woman is faulty shows the problem here

[Gregorio]

gay's are weirdo's too right? they just need to get over it when they don't play their "gender roles" correctly

the fact that your definition of a woman is faulty shows the problem here

Yes, that's exactly what I said. Except no. Gays don't get extreme surgeries to live their lives like they want. The fact that your definition of a woman is what's in your brain instead of what actually genetically exists doesn't make a lot of sense.

I was born white, but I REALLY wanna be asian so I can wwwwwww and buy used underwear and hit on asian chicks without seeming creepy, so I'll just get an operation because that's what I identify myself as! And my brother identifies himself as a tree. Don't judge us it's my mind not yours.

[Demosthenes11]

Yes, that's exactly what I said. Except no. Gays don't get extreme surgeries to live their lives like they want. The fact that your definition of a woman is what's in your brain instead of what actually genetically exists doesn't make a lot of sense.

I was born white, but I REALLY wanna be asian so I can wwwwwww and buy used underwear and hit on asian chicks without seeming creepy, so I'll just get an operation because that's what I identify myself as! And my brother identifies himself as a tree. Don't judge us it's my mind not yours.

that's not how it is at all. They don't choose to identify as a woman, they are women trapped in men's bodies.
it's bizarre, but until you really know one it's easy to just sit in the peanut gallery and try and explain what you don't know.

genetics does a lot of weird things, and because of that it is hard to just say things are black and white

[Kerberoz]

X X = female
X Y = male

That's pretty black and white.

[minsk]

X X = female
X Y = male

That's pretty black and white.

Lets say that this surgery could change that as well, hypothetically speaking, would you accept her as a girl then?


Oh and I'd hit it, because.. well this honestly doesn't bother me

[The Stig]

Well think of it this way now, she now has to learn how to properly suck dick, whereas if she waited a bit more longer she would've expertised in what/how it takes to pleasure one, carry this knowledge into her new gender, and utilise it!!!

[Sol-Blackguy]

You know, considering the few people who have sex changes, and the even fewer people who are up front about it, i always find it funny how certain people complain about it like it's even remotely an issue. Similar to how there's always someone who comments on how he's okay with gays except the ones who rub their their sexuality all over his/her face (as if most straight men don't) as if this were somehow a regularly recurring issue. Hell, it even happens with what people in the US call blacks, how somehow the small amount of blacks who act a certain way always manage to overshadow the vast amount of blacks who don't act that way. And before anyone says that it's just that people only notice the loud ones, also consider that it's also partly because the people noticing it and commenting on it are actually looking for something to complain.

I kind of agree with you when you put it that way, but it's still a sensitive topic. I understand why transgenders would want to be up front with their lovers about their past lifestyle change. It's just a double-edged sword that's going to hurt somebody in the end. Either you explain everything beforehand and lose a possible lover, or break their heart by telling them after the fact. Hell after a while it'd be obvious when you realize your "girlfriend" is never on the rag, or isn't worried about getting pregnant, you'll eventually put 2 and 2 together.
From a straight guy's point of view, (if it matters in this situation) I wouldn't know how to react let alone even consider myself comfortable before or after the fact. I consider myself pretty comfortable with other people's sexualities even though it's something I'll never relate to personally, but this is like a whole new spectrum to think about. Not just the old "does this make me gay" query, but situations involving whether or not I would even care to know.

Also, to answer the OP's question: I wouldn't, she's not my type.

[Fallyn]

Digit ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In men, the second digit tends to be shorter than the fourth, and in females the second tends to be the same size or slightly longer than the fourth

Fuck I got female hands.

[Kerberoz]

Lets say that this surgery could change that as well, hypothetically speaking, would you accept her as a girl then?


Oh and I'd hit it, because.. well this honestly doesn't bother me

It's not about "accepting" anything. It's about facts. I don't care what people identify themselves as or who they do what with. It's their own business. It's just stupid to say that 2+2=5 because you call it a 5 and it feels like a 5.

And yes, that would make them female. If that level of gene therapy ever existed, though, we'd be surrounded by furries and centaurs and hardly care about transgender people anymore. The prospect of actually swapping an entire chromosome in the cells of a developed organism is uhhh...

[Demosthenes11]

Swyer syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[minsk]

It's not about "accepting" anything. It's about facts. I don't care what people identify themselves as or who they do what with. It's their own business. It's just stupid to say that 2+2=5 because you call it a 5 and it feels like a 5.

And yes, that would make them female. If that level of gene therapy ever existed, though, we'd be surrounded by furries and centaurs and hardly care about transgender people anymore. The prospect of actually swapping an entire chromosome in the cells of a developed organism is uhhh...

Yeah but theres still a large group of people that wouldn't accept that 5 if it did turn into a 4 because it used to be a 5, because the thought of it makes them uncomfortable.

And that's why I said hypothetically speaking. Since the Idea of finalizing your decision on whether you'd view someone as a woman or a man based on a chromosome, though completely valid, still seems off to me.

[Drako]

100%? Lol, k. Just ignore "her" chromosomes and lack of ovaries, right?

I mean, sure, fap to it, whatever, doesn't mean anything, but the idea that surgery and pills actually change someone's sex is pretty laughable. If a white man had his skin permanently turned black he wouldn't be a black man... he'd be a nutcase/racist.

As someone posted before...
Swyer syndrome

unborn baby has XY chromosomes but their hormones dont function well and the baby that is supposed to born a man, borns a woman.

It is not made by science, its just a random genetic error.
To genetics it is by all means, a man!


anyway, would hit it for sure, if it has a vagina, looks like a girl, i dont care.

[TheShadyMan]

Please tell me you're smart enough to realize the article's talking about your forefinger and ring finger.

[Kuya]

I don't know what's more interesting, the fact that some people are uncomfortable with the situation because what now looks to them, perhaps, like an attractive girl used to be a man, or that some men only care about it as long as it looks female.

[thatwasnifty]

Swyer syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you. I was going to post the same thing. Sex isn't chromosome dependent, there are a lot of other biochemical factors at play.

[Khamsin]

We'll have to wait until we have the technology to objectively tell the race/gender/age/etc. of somebody just by a drop of their blood or dna or some part of them that's impossible to make a subjective analysis on.

[The Stig]

To me, even in some TV series, where the (female) actor is infact playing as a female that was once male, I cannot get the mental image in my head that they may infact be a man. The most recent examples I can think of is:

Ugly Betty: The main dude's twin "brother" (who is now female)
The IT Crowd: (Season 3, Episode 4, a director goes out with a journalist who used to be a male) VERY FUNNY episode too, highly recommended that you watch: Ninjavideo.net - The IT Crowd 3x04 Speech (Flash)

Both are very hot too.

Regardless, I know they're actors, but because they played such a part, I still feel slightly uncomfortable that they used to be a man. So I fall into such group, although there's this nightmare of ladyboys from Thailand, I got fooled with this youtube video once (forgot the name/where) but basically it was 2 English or American (I couldn't tell, but from the west) guys in some sort of ... shop, where they had a camera with them and was eyeing up this actually REALLY hot "girl" (nice body/legs/face, everything), only towards the end of the video you see "her" getting a hard on in her skirt ... and it all went downhill from there ...

*cringe*

[Khamsin]

By the way, wouldn't this be Perrault syndrome, and not Swyer? Since she, supposedly, was always a woman that just never had ovaries and appeared male but was chromosomally a woman, and so needed surgery, therapy and hormone injections to match her chromosomes?