Blogger attacking Apathy for PW kill?

[Lordwafik]

That doesn't sound like a very SE solution. How about prevent you from summoning or charming or activating while in double-weakness? Enjoy.

The catch? It is now a universal nerf that applies to all jobs during weakness. Enjoy your aids courtesy of Square Enix.

[TybudX]

I'd like to hear his reasoning behind logging out giving an unfair advantage to Apathy over and above other players... are you guys having trouble logging out? Am I the only one outside Apathy who can use this feature?

edit - You know what would be funny? If this guy's LS went in and stole PW from Apathy the next time they logged! That would be sooooo pimp, sticking it to Apathy that way!

[dejet]

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he is saying it is a glich, that SE did not want to work. and tho SE could fix it i bet it be a hell of a lot of work based off how the hate system works

"look at top of hate list, not there next"

the system would have to be reworked. i dont side with this guy at all, but i like said he has a point that stands out as being "right".

and befor all of you say "se wont ban you bla bla" you no they can, and id say there is a 50/50 shot of them doing so.

it took them a year to fix the last glich, god nos maybe it will take them that long again? id just say call a GM and see if it is ok befor anyone does this again.

lol it be fair game to take it from them that it would.... dick thing. However they could not call a GM or anything.

*does PW AF hit everyone or just people on his hate list? if this is true a way around AF would be just have 1 pt of blm burn MP and move next one in.(this would make you need like 15 blm or something ,but hell if someone calls it cheating lol)

[Katoke]

I read to page 2 before I decided I'd read enough to post here. I really don't think that it's the intended strategy that SE had in mind when designing the NM, but it did work for them. While I don't agree with the strategy and see it as somewhat cheap, they still used game mechanics, in a sense, to defeat PW. Should they be banned? Absolutely not... But I can see how some people are pissed with the methods, but hey, the ends justify the means.

[Correction]

But I can see how some people are pissed with the methods.

People have no right to be pissed at a broken, unkillable mob finally dying. It's been repeatedly pointed out that 'in game mechanics' are bullshit. On hp% triggered Rape-gas can only be anticipated if you have windower telling you the mob's health%. Without it, people would still be wiping to Bahamut v2. No existing in-game mechanic lets you recover or prevent 9 simultaneous Astral Flows, and if there's some rubik's cube of emotes and ra/ex consumables that stops it nobody wants to figure it out because it's not fun.

[Virtuous Saint]

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lol it be fair game to take it from them that it would.... dick thing.

Then die very quickly.

[LD]

People have no right to be pissed at a broken, unkillable mob finally dying. It's been repeatedly pointed out that 'in game mechanics' are bullshit. On hp% triggered Rape-gas can only be anticipated if you have windower telling you the mob's health%. Without it, people would still be wiping to Bahamut v2. No existing in-game mechanic lets you recover or prevent 9 simultaneous Astral Flows, and if there's some rubik's cube of emotes and ra/ex consumables that stops it nobody wants to figure it out because it's not fun.

Quoted for fucking truth, especially that last bit. It's stupid to argue what SE wants or intends when it's been clear for years that it's not always in the best interest of the player. Much like AV's various forms of rapega, I doubt there's any reliable or consistent way of avoiding 9 simultaneous AFs, so if someone can avoid the inane procedures and just fight the mob without doing anything abjectly against game design, good for fucking them.

[Yugl]

SE posted their win instead of banning the LS. That should be enough to tell you that logging out during battle isn't an exploit.

[Dezzimal]

SE posted their win instead of banning the LS. That should be enough to tell you that logging out during battle isn't an exploit.

Do you really think SE looked in to how PW was defeated in depth enough to know that logging hate was used?

[LD]

Probably not, but at this point they can't take any action without looking like idiots, so whether they wanted it or not, it is probably now allowable.

[Yugl]

Do you really think SE looked in to how PW was defeated in depth enough to know that logging hate was used?

It's possible considering they didn't make a post after an LS defeated AV. The logging strategy isn't as subtle as you make it seem.

Edit: To clarify, they didn't make a post because they found out the method used to kill AV wasn't what they intended (This goes for all AV strategies from wall to KC DRK).

[Narse]

Do you really think SE looked in to how PW was defeated in depth enough to know that logging hate was used?

Considering the matter was discussed with members by a GM a couple of days ago, I'm gonna go with yes, they are aware that logging hate was used to defeat it.

For anyone curious, logging hate is not against ToS or anything. There will not be any action taken against anyone who logs hate on anything, including PW. However due to concern among the community the practice is being investigated, and while unlikely, should anything change about the legitimacy of the practice, it will be clear that it's no longer acceptable, most likely via a news post inside POL and on the official site concerning a change in ToS.

[Gadritan]

On hp% triggered Rape-gas can only be anticipated if you have windower telling you the mob's health%. Without it, people would still be wiping to Bahamut v2.

People still do non-zerg B2s >.>?

Edit: And people do wipe to B2 still...zerging...idk how...but they dew.

[Correction]

People still do non-zerg B2s >.>?

Some LSes like to use more than one Orb per B2 event.

[Gadritan]

Some LSes like to use more than one Orb per B2 event.

Only need rdm/drks with 2hrs. Can just rotate them. Unless your melee are horribly gimp. Or Pick like 1brd and a couple of melee to 2hr per orb.

And I really, really miss oldschool B2s. One of the coolest fights in game. People just want to farm it now adays though.

On topic, I think Starcade is Jesus in disguise here to test our morale fiber. Hay...it could happen.

[vivix]

And I really, really miss oldschool B2s. One of the coolest fights in game. People just want to farm it now adays though.

Agreed. Easily the most fun fight in the whole game.

[Shinsei]

Some LSes like to use more than one Orb per B2 event.

lol we zerg all our Baha V2s and we do more than one right after each other lol

Only the RDMs need 2hr really.
If you still want to use bard 2hr, you really only need to use 1 bard for SV marches and the other just do regular troub/night

but in all honesty, only the RDMs 2hr is a necessity.

[Zeb]

This is like arguments between the letter and spirit of a law.

[LD]

This is like arguments between the letter and spirit of a law.

Um, duh?

The internet is filled with intractable, moot arguments where everyone and no one is right. The only thing that cannot be argued (rationally, anyway) is the fact that PW was killed and the group who killed it did particular things to do it.

[Gadritan]

Only the RDMs need 2hr really.

That's probably why I said that.