Alex Rodriguez linked to Steroids (2003 test)

[archibaldcrane]

The one thing that intrigues me about A-Rod is that his numbers have been pretty steady. Usually with steroids you see a sudden jump in production (Bond's late career 70 HR seasons, McGwire and Sosa hitting 60+, Brady Anderson's sudden 50HR season mentioned above, etc) but A-rod's production has been pretty steady throughout his career. To me that either means that A) he took steroids but not often enough to have much effect on his overall performance or B) he took them and is still taking them. Either way, something just doesn't add up.

Don't worry, when he's accused of using HGH in 2005 or whenever, he'll issue another apology saying "I only did that from '04-'05, I was putting a lot of pressure on myself, I haven't used them since"

He's owning up to what he was caught for, assuming he's telling the whole truth now would be, well, naive. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore.

[Cephius]

Also a big lol at this:

Darryl Strawberry Says Mets Loved Their Cocaine and Their Women - MLB FanHouse

[fren.]

Because calling someone (even if it's not just me) names really helps your argument.

Me calling him a dolt for misinterpreting my post was just.

Also, everyone knows about the whole Brady Anderson "holyshitwtf" year. I think steroids became rampant moreso in the 90's, yeah. In fact, it may have been helped along AFTER the Brady Anderson time. That dude was just a fucking idiot.

Still. You may not think of yourself as an A-Rod apologist, but you've said a few things that lead others to believe you are. Maybe you aren't just an A-Rod apologist, but a Yankee apologist in general.

How is one an apologist when he's calling the dude he's supposedly defending, a fucking moron? My point was that while this is big-time news, it's really nothing new in this sport.

People think that he's the biggest name on that list, he isn't. He was singled out by a cunt of a writer who's fucking obsessed with him. Bonds, Palmeiro are definitely on it and I'm sure a bunch of others are marquee names. This is gonna be bigger than the Mitchell report, because this is a list of confirmed guys instead of he said-she said.

You made a post quoting a guy who claimed:
How is that not saying "A-rod's steroids don't help him play baseball, so they should basically be ignored, he did nothing wrong when it comes down to it, he's not cheating."

How does that equate to me condoning him? I linked to the article to show your ignorant ass what primobolan was.

Although however you respond, I can't understand you with all that A-Rod in your mouth.

Don't worry, when he's accused of using HGH in 2005 or whenever, he'll issue another apology saying "I only did that from '04-'05, I was putting a lot of pressure on myself, I haven't used them since"

This is gonna be a heartbreaker as I see you're grasping for straws, but primobolan isn't as strong as HGH. At least my boy admitted to it, the meathead whose balls your slobbering over trying to defend however, hasn't.

[archibaldcrane]

People think that he's the biggest name on that list, he isn't.

Who could possibly be bigger? He's the highest paid player of all time, a 3-time MVP, he's in his prime, he's on the biggest, most prominent team with the highest payroll...

Who could be bigger?

[recuperi]

Realistically, Bonds would really be bigger even if everyone already believes he took them. A-Rod hasn't broken records set years ago, so you can't really say he's bigger even if he's just on pace to break one of those. A confirmation on Bonds would be bigger than this

[TummieGaruda]

Also a big lol at this:

Darryl Strawberry Says Mets Loved Their Cocaine and Their Women - MLB FanHouse

What the hell???

From the same article:

Although he doesn't name names, Strawberry relates how team members picked out girls from the stands for quickies. He once watched a pitcher march a frisky fan to a private room for oral sex: "I was jealous. When I saw her heading back to her seat, I gave her a sign. She smiled, turned right back around, and met me in that same little room . . . I had to be quick and run back out on the field."

Another time, "I was in the clubhouse, having one last quickie with this cute little Florida girl. Charlie Samuels, the equipment manager, came in and caught us. He just stood there shaking his head while I finished up."

[Bweigelt]

What the hell???

From the same article:

Keep in mind this is Darryl Strawberry saying this stuff. Not the most realiable source considering he was in a drunken, coked up haze for most of his career and his view of events might be just a tiny bit skewed.

[fren.]

Who could possibly be bigger? He's the highest paid player of all time, a 3-time MVP, he's in his prime, he's on the biggest, most prominent team with the highest payroll...

Who could be bigger?

Didn't mean it in that context, it wouldn't behoove me if a Manny/Ortiz type was on it.

MVP's who've been outed as users:

Tejada, Giambi, Caminiti, Bonds, Mac, ARod, JuanGone, Pudge, Vaughn, and Sosa.

Cy Youngs: Clemens, Gagne.

From another forum regarding HGH and how potent it is.

Also, my baseball coach, played in the Canadian Leagues, at the time Gagne was topping out at 92 MPH. Where do u supposed the other 6-8 MPH came from. Many more pitchers use them than you all would think.

[TummieGaruda]

Keep in mind this is Darryl Strawberry saying this stuff. Not the most realiable source considering he was in a drunken, coked up haze for most of his career and his view of events might be just a tiny bit skewed.

Yeah, I remember a long time ago when he was with the Dodgers, my cousin and I used to visit my Aunt for the Freeway Series because she was a season ticket holder with field seats. I don't remember what year it was, but apparently Darryl randomly disappeared when he was supposed to play in a game against the Angels and was found a day or two later and the Dodgers announced he had a substance abuse problem (coke). It broke my aunts heart because she was a huge Darryl Strawberry fan.

[archibaldcrane]

This is gonna be a heartbreaker as I see you're grasping for straws, but primobolan isn't as strong as HGH. At least my boy admitted to it, the meathead whose balls your slobbering over trying to defend however, hasn't.

So basically, he's either an even bigger liar (why wouldn't he take HGH also? It's better and undetectable...I assume that the majority of MLB players have used it or another PED at some point) or he really sucks at cheating.

How "strong" primobolan is is completely irrelevant to me. I don't care if he didn't net a single additional home run because of his steroid usage (a ridiculous assertion, but still). It's his being exposed as both a liar and a cheat that make me squeal with glee, and not even because I hate him, it's because of all the fans who were so pleased with themselves in their belief that he'd break Bonds' record and restore dignity and honor to the record books. It's fucking magnificently hilarious.

Everyone, to the man, knows that Bonds used the cream and the clear (which wasn't a steroid, but whatever) - there's no way that a confirmed positive test for Bonds (there is a positive test out there for him anyway, but it's BALCO's test, not MLBs) would be bigger than A-Roid's revelation.

[Reality]

Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig told USA Today in Thursday's edition that he is contemplating whether a suspension of Alex Rodriguez might be appropriate in the wake of the Yankees third baseman's admission to the use of banned substances from 2001-2003.

Furthermore, as Barry Bonds approaches a March 2 trial date on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about performance-enhancing drugs, Selig added he was considering the reinstatement of Henry Aaron as the rightful home run king in the official record books.

I'll never vote for erasing records, period. What Selig is thinking about doing is beyond ridiculous. He allowed the era to exist as Commissioner, now he'll have to deal with the bi-product of it. He also needs to be forced to retire and have someone replace him, he's been a horrendous commissioner and that's easily the majority opinion.

[MrW]

Oh man, bad move by Selig. He shouldn't even be allowed to do that. The guy needs to erase himself from the record books. He hasn't been the best commish.

[Cephius]

He'll never get to suspend A-rod. First of all, it'll never get pass the union, because not only was the test A-rod got a positive on not illegal at the time, but they'd have to punish everyone on the list to be fair. And we know that's not happening.

Also he can't erase anything, because you never will really know who used roids and who didn't. I have no idea why Bud said that stuff, it was pretty retarded.

[Bregor]

Erasing any offensive records from this era would be the single worst move by a commissioner in any major sport. There are far too many unknowns, unless there are records of every positive test for any substance since the mid-90s, and even then you've had guys admit that they used some substances that went undetected. Take guys like Jim Thome or Sammy Sosa, Thome's three huge years home run-wise were the same as ARod's in Texas (2001-2003) and Sosa exploded from 1998-2003. Not many people think Thome was juicing, but most everybody thinks Sosa was. But there's no proof that either of them were on PED, so who's records would be in jeopardy? It should either be everyone or no one, and since you can't just erase 15 years of baseball history, clearly Selig should erase nothing. It'd be like erasing pitching records from when the mound was a lot higher than it is now, which was probably much more of an advantage for pitchers than steroids is for hitters.

[Viq]

I have nothing to add. Just testing my new title.

PS-> Thanks, Sonomaa

[Akiyama]

Haha. Nice title, Viq.

Oh,and A-Rod sucks. Cheater! (/contributing to thread again.)