Dupes in Dynamis

[DAKPluto]

So, I thought when people post an info on an exploit it's supposed to get locked/deleted or some shit so the world + dog doesn't exploit it until SE patches it or something?

I don't work that way.

[Charismatic]

So, I thought when people post an info on an exploit it's supposed to get locked/deleted or some shit so the world + dog doesn't exploit it until SE patches it or something?

Not that anyone would dare to do so after the salvage shit...

[BerenTebogo]

If you're stupid enough to even consider duping after the bannings you should be banned.

I guess maybe part of leaving it open is...dare I say it? (HOLD ON BG GENERAL)

DARWINISM

[terraflarex]

If you're stupid enough to even consider duping after the bannings you should be banned.

I guess maybe part of leaving it open is...dare I say it? (HOLD ON BG GENERAL)

DARWINISM

QFT

[eva00r]

LM-17 is knocking your door.

[Ryukin]

heard about a friend dc'ing and he came back and all his instruments were duped lolz i dont know if i believe that shit either

[Rilu]

If this really happened, wouldn't everyone in the alliances receive the message "So and so recieves the <longbow> fragment" ? so, everyone would have gotten the message that two people got fragments.

Also, that GM convo doesn't prove anything, sorry: Then again, i've only been doing dynamis for over 4 years, and its never duped on the dozens and dozens of people that have DC'd in the past. This is just my opinion, which isn't really worth much outside of my own moghouse, an since it seems like it was a one time only situation, it doesn't matter much I guess.

[rithridan]

heard about a friend dc'ing and he came back and all his instruments were duped lolz i dont know if i believe that shit either

There are so many bugs like that in FFXI. Not long ago I entered salvage (uhoh!) and basicly most of my instruments were gone and some of my other equipment pieces. Relogging fixed this issue. Another similar one is when you use a cell in salvage and the equipment doesn't unlock for you unless you again relog to fix the issue. Or when you put something in bazaar and close too quickly you will have 'locked' the item (as if it were in bazaar) but not have it in your actual bazaar.

It's pretty much impossible to say exactly what happened here since we don't know enough background information about the supposed bug to 'fill in the blanks' so to speak. It does remind me somewhat of the trade bug that was patched ages ago where you could d/c while trading to basicly dupe the item you were trading.

[Darkslitter]

Then again, i've only been doing dynamis for over 4 years, and its never duped on the dozens and dozens of people that have DC'd in the past.

Because SE's never broken anything before that seems completely unrelated to recent changes to the game.

[Cutriss]

NB: Programers; correct me if I am wrong;

This seems rather strange. Duplicating a loot pool in a party is easy to understand, since its basis is in OOP (Object oriented programming) whereas each party is a replica of a 'party structure', and upon breaking alliance the single alliance loot pool is replicated as the loot pool for each party, since the parties are now separate.

Dynamis isn't an instanced area, which means only one instance of dynamis can exist at one time. However if two instances of a loot pool can exist within the same area, which automatically causes dupes; this basically means SE's code is horrible. Sure this is an exceptional case, but it must be off the back of broken code from the Salvage patch.

Assuming this actually happened, the guy who DC'd, did his hourglass receive TEs? I'm assuming he could see other people in Dyna and fight the same mobs too? Just wondering cause the mechanics don't makes add up.

I love it when people who've had one semester of CompSci try to tell us how things work.

[zantes]

I love it when people who've had one semester of CompSci try to tell us how things work.

The thing is, there is a certain amount of logic behind what he posted. Also, based on the fact that other areas had duping able to happen, SE's code is definately horrible.

[Max™]

The thing is, there is a certain amount of logic behind what he posted. Also, based on the fact that other areas had duping able to happen, SE's code is definately horrible.

It's old code that is being pushed into new situations, that's going to happen.

[Daedalus]

I love it when people who've had one semester of CompSci try to tell us how things work.

Two and a half actually. I'm just tossing ideas around, and I did add my disclaimer at the top in there for a reason >.>

[Cutriss]

The thing is, there is a certain amount of logic behind what he posted. Also, based on the fact that other areas had duping able to happen, SE's code is definately horrible.

Oh, nobody's arguing that point, to be sure, but I seriously doubt this is due to instance inheritance issues like daedalus stated. The last paragraph is an interesting one because I'm curious of that myself.

I think it's less of an issue of merging new code in with old, and more just making global changes in multiple places without considering all the places the change is being made.

On the other hand, maybe...just maybe...

This means instanced Dynamis soon.

[Dimmauk]

I DC'd during a DL fight last week. When I got back I saw DL drops in pool, but also saw the winning lots. I guess im not unlucky enough to get duped items.

[Daedalus]

On the other hand, maybe...just maybe...

This means instanced Dynamis soon.

Interesting point looking at it that way around. Without knowing SE's QA measures its hard to know whether they would allow development material into their public releases. But then again, there's always human error to consider.

[Norellicus]

There are so many bugs like that in FFXI. Not long ago I entered salvage (uhoh!) and basicly most of my instruments were gone and some of my other equipment pieces. Relogging fixed this issue. Another similar one is when you use a cell in salvage and the equipment doesn't unlock for you unless you again relog to fix the issue. Or when you put something in bazaar and close too quickly you will have 'locked' the item (as if it were in bazaar) but not have it in your actual bazaar.

It's pretty much impossible to say exactly what happened here since we don't know enough background information about the supposed bug to 'fill in the blanks' so to speak. It does remind me somewhat of the trade bug that was patched ages ago where you could d/c while trading to basicly dupe the item you were trading.

This; I had one just the other night where a good 10-12 pieces of my inventory were just...missing...as I zoned out of Salvage. Logging out corrected it (god damn if it didn't scare me though, I had a good 10m in gear in the disappeared stuff!), and there was really no other indicator of what might cause it...didn't d/c, didn't r0, zoning didn't take any longer than usual...hooray software glitches.

[JigglyJam]

Why was this unlocked? I don't see any pics besides the one Sath posted.
And a GM convo doesn't really prove anything. Now if you had two pictures from each of the fragment obtainers with the fragment in both of their inventories, I'd start thinking it could be true.

EDIT: Oh yeah need names too. "Some guy in my LS said it happened to him" doesn't count. That SS from Sath looks like the intended reciever of the fragment who lotted it. He was probably calling the GM to make sure his shit is safe. The "duper" is just fucking with you all.

[Zosi]

Unless it really does involve some massive recent code changes to make Dynamis ready to be instanced, I'm calling bullshit too. I've been doing Dynamis for years, I've DCed a lot more than most (used to have really bad crash problems in Dynamis) and I've never seen anything other than the usual "one treasure pool for the whole zone regardless of whether you're in alliance" behavior. You'd literally have to dupe the whole Dynamis zone server to get multiple loot pools, which would take a bit more than DCing during a fragment NM.

I have had the disappearing gear thing happen in Dynamis, which scared the living shit out of me because it made my BLM AF2 hat, four HQ staves and a bunch of other random gear go poof. Logged out and back in and everything was back.

[Daedalus]

I've been doing Dynamis for years, I've DCed a lot more than most (used to have really bad crash problems in Dynamis) and I've never seen anything other than the usual "one treasure pool for the whole zone regardless of whether you're in alliance" behavior.

You're assuming the patch on Salvage/Nyzul/Sandworm areas didn't affect any other zones loot pools.

But I'd agree with JigglyJam, needs more pics. At least a chunk of Log entries from Logger. Easy to fake but there's ways to check the legitimacy of such things.