Haubergeon+1 VS Osode for Sam

[Mesiah]

It's easy to look at the SAM you are duoing with and say "oh theres no way his acc is capped on WS." when were firing off WS every 15-20 seconds were bound to miss a few every now and then, no matter how high the acc is.

[Amastacia]

Cool, my point was that if you actually read the What's Better thread you'd realize that it is rarely a "y/n" answer unless the question is retarded. Here's a good snippet from ~p. 81 on Osode vs. Haubergeon +1 so my post doesn't get deleted.

You might've wanted to read this thread before you copy/pasted that mathcraft.

Jus' sayin...

[trencher]

Can we seriously put a sticky up that says:

Osode is better to WS in then Haub+1. END OF STORY.

please?

It seems like every week somebody saves up 3 mil gil and decides to NOT read the dozens of parsed posts and research done by many, many fine people.

And says things like "my awesome SAM friend says blah blah you need acc. i have seen a ws miss on birds. omg".

I mean really do you all of you "eyeball" people really think you're right?

I'm sorry but we have parsed Cerb, Khim, Faffles, KV, Salvage Bosses, a hundred dynamis runs, a bazillion merit parties, tons of Einjar runs and a even bunnies in Ronfare.

It all says the same thing. One hit WS acc is ridiculously high, can far exceed your Melee acc and benifits, because of the acc bonus, you guessed it more STR.

seriously, unless you have ANY empirical data that says otherwise, WSing in a HAUB/+1 is INFERIOR to WSing in an Osode.

[Zilong]

There has been a few threads regarding this before.

It's always the same group of retard with the same batch of fucking retarded excuse on why Hauby is superior to Osode on WS.

It's not, and you're still retarded.

[Starr]

Can we seriously put a sticky up that says:

Osode is better to WS in then Haub+1. END OF STORY.

What if you're fighting Byakko mang?

[trencher]

What if you're fighting Byakko mang?

Come BLM and nuke it cause everyone always comes blm/whm to sky anyway?
go go lazy sub for sky teleports.

[Demonic]

TP: Hauby+1
WS: Kirin's Osode

This

[Eleven19]

I stopped WSing in Osode on sam a long time ago. Since my SAM is typically in a situation where I'm TAWSing, I tend to lean a little more towards attempting to keep accuracy high instead of trying to gain a little more on damage.

[FailureMidgard]

I stopped WSing in Osode on sam a long time ago. Since my SAM is typically in a situation where I'm TAWSing, I tend to lean a little more towards attempting to keep accuracy high instead of trying to gain a little more on damage.

You may want to read the entire thread, and the other one about Y/G/K testing. The entire idea here is that without a Haub, a sam should -still- be accuracy capped for ygk.

[KSDI]

Does the gekko being capped on acc also apply to any possible DA's?

[FailureMidgard]

Does the gekko being capped on acc also apply to any possible DA's?

That is virtually impossible to test? Short of parsing a whole shitton of WSes, figuring out expected DA rate, manually counting DAs you see, then figuring out what .95 times the expected DA rate is and a reasonable margin of error in it. Of course, you need a much larger sample size than normal...

[Avarice]

The way I see it, (for WSing)

Osode if you're /THF
Haubergeon +1 for everything else.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Osode if /THF
Haubergeon +1 if /WAR (and everything else.)

At the risk of sounding like a backseat mod, why is there no punishment for this? Being uninformed is one thing, but being an outright troll is quite another.

Read the damn thread.

[Avarice]

At the risk of sounding like a backseat mod, why is there no punishment for this? Being uninformed is one thing, but being an outright troll is quite another.

Read the damn thread.

Pot calling the kettle black?

OP asked a question, I gave my two cents. If you don't like it, go QQ in a corner.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Pot calling the kettle black?

OP asked a question, I gave my two cents. If you don't like it, go QQ in a corner.

And you gave an answer that anyone who took the whopping minute or two required to read a page and half could tell you is blatantly wrong. If you can't be assed to give an accurate response, don't give a response at all. All you're going to do is mislead and confuse people who, just like you, jump right into the end of the thread, looking for an answer.

[Wolfknight]

The way I see it, (for WSing)

Osode if you're /THF
Haubergeon +1 for everything else.

seriously you're trolling or don't know how to read, see the YGK thread, testing showed +100 acc with thats fucking insane you don't need acc on them and don't need much attack either.

[VZX]

If you're doing MMM regularly, especially fighting double might mobs, you may want to use Hauby+1 instead of Osode. Though I didn't parse, I can see a considerable amount of misses on those mobs with standard WS setup in merit PT.

[Wolfknight]

If you're doing MMM regularly, especially fighting double might mobs, you may want to use Hauby+1 instead of Osode. Though I didn't parse, I can see a considerable amount of misses on those mobs with standard WS setup in merit PT.

yea agree, I definitely noticed this too maybe 15% ws miss rate ish on him but I get hunters roll most of the runs I do so it's not issue for me.

[Thorny]

Pot calling the kettle black?

OP asked a question, I gave my two cents. If you don't like it, go QQ in a corner.

This isn't alla. I like how hauby+1's white border looks and i do gewd dmgz with it is not a basis for a recommendation, same goes for I r camping bloodsucker hardcore i dun need no blitz rangs. Be ready to support your ideas with math drawn from known things or don't bother with them at all.

[Avarice]

This isn't alla. I like how hauby+1's white border looks and i do gewd dmgz with it is not a basis for a recommendation, same goes for I r camping bloodsucker hardcore i dun need no blitz rangs. Be ready to support your ideas with math drawn from known things or don't bother with them at all.

BlueGartr: The place where everyone has sand in their vagina.

Unless you can show me where I said they had to use what I use, and they have do what I do, you can back the fuck off. This is Standard, not Advanced. If I want to my voice my opinion, I'm entitled to do so.