novio vs sch

[akasephiroth]

Hello a question has come up in my ls and im looking for a little advice on this, is it worth letting sch have a chance to lot on Novio? At the moment our ls rules state that novio is a blm only item but can sch truelly see enough benifit toward a ls to lot this as well?

[dejet]

pointed shell fyi

should we give blm a little boost? or just let it go even with schs?

or always blm only?

[Starr]

SCH does more than Phalanxga and Stoneskinga in a group environment? I'd say keep it to the BLMs for the benefit of the group or just put it something like a bonus to points for BLM 75.

[dejet]

SCH does more than Phalanxga and Stoneskinga in a group environment? I'd say keep it to the BLMs for the benefit of the group or just put it something like a bonus to points for BLM 75.

For HNM he is for the most part a phalaga and stoneaga person, however when we do dyna he nukes or an aspid seeing how tanks need no help there at all he also nukes.

Also what you think would be a good number? Would you put it up there with blm>sch on the lvl of say a e body for a war vs bst? If we let this sch lot it i been going twords around +100 points for blms.

i just hate the idea of giving a person who does not nuke even close to as much as a blm(who full times it for the most part) seems like a lose even if it given to a gimpy blm that ups their dmg all the time. looking for a really good reason to let sch get it.

[pauldog]

this is my opinon on all of it.. if a sch wants novio that bad, then lvl blm. i dont think novio is gonna help a sch nor do i think sch should even be in the same link as a blm. blm is and will always be > then sch doesnt matter how hard they nuke. just my opinon.

[dejet]

this is my opinon on all of it.. if a sch wants novio that bad, then lvl blm. i dont think novio is gonna help a sch nor do i think sch should even be in the same link as a blm. blm is and will always be > then sch doesnt matter how hard they nuke. just my opinon.

you only got 2 posts why shoudl i trust what you say!?huh!?

[Ultimagi]

Scholar can nuke more efficiently than a Black Mage on anything that isn't rediculously magic resistant, to the point where Black Mages have a hard time not getting resisted anyway too.

[Vigilia]

I don't know how you do your loot distribution on the whole but we have a job priority system in which if there's nobody of the ideal job to equip an item there to lot it then others in diff jobs can lot it also. In Novio's case it's a pretty simple BLM > SCH > rest (few CORs and RDMs who have signed up). It's definitely a BLM item before any other job, but when you run out of BLMs to hand it to, SCH's not a bad second. We run a point system also, but with the clause that job priority takes precedence over points.

[Aristio]

this is my opinon on all of it.. if a sch wants novio that bad, then lvl blm. i dont think novio is gonna help a sch nor do i think sch should even be in the same link as a blm. blm is and will always be > then sch doesnt matter how hard they nuke. just my opinon.

Enjoy:

Kanican - Scholar Guide (Part IV)

Kanican - Scholar - Post Patch

Edit: Just scroll to the bottom and read the conclusion if your too lazy to read the whole thing.

[Drex]

Give the novio to whoever has put the time in and will use it. I'd rather give a novio to a SCH (or even a talented RDM or COR) instead of a BLM who hasn't put in the effort to get it. SCHs nuke at some events and they nuke while soloing, so it's not like a WAR lotting it just to have it or something.

If a SCH and a BLM have put in equal work, give it to the BLM I guess, but if a SCH has put in more effort to sea then they should get the reward first.

Give valuable items like gaiters, novios, etc. to PEOPLE, not to JOBS. Of course there's a line where you say "ok your thf is not going to be nuking any time soon", but if they can make use of it and have put in a considerable effort for it, why deny them what they want? Remember that other people will see the effort that the SCH has put in too, and will be discouraged from working for what they want if they won't get it anyway.

[KoD]

Well its hard debate
Yes BLM Vs Sch = 1Nuke Vs 1Nuke = BLM win!!
But Sch Vs Blm = full Mp Nuke to empty = Sch win

Then Sch Doesnt have -ga's So useless agaist JoLove Else on Jolove itself!!

And there is the debate of how many Sch's do u have in ur LS at one time,
If there more than 2 give'ing one Sch one isnt bad idea = Helix150dmg > Mod Vers300dmg > Mod vers 600dmg!

Edit:So it rly depends how u use ur sch's and in what situation!
noteing that blm is always nuker! thow!

[Tsuko_Asura]

The person who casts first is going to do more damage regardless. Why squabble over something nobody is going to notice outside of Puddings?

Give it to the person who deserves it.

[dejet]

system is all point based. some items give a +point to some jobs. such as E body

E body gives war and drk+50 points when they bid on it.

rid i think is +50 as well for drk and war.

why i am so mixed to let it or not is, even if the blm is there 75% as much as the sch, that sch nukes but 1 in every 6 events we do. this i why it is so hard for me to give it to him... thanks for the input if ya got anymore info keep posting, i like to see what everyone thinks.

Note:i do understand a sch can nuke fairly well. do not get me wrong that is why we are thinking of lifting the blm only call on novio.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I don't know how you do your loot distribution on the whole but we have a job priority system in which if there's nobody of the ideal job to equip an item there to lot it then others in diff jobs can lot it also. In Novio's case it's a pretty simple BLM > SCH > rest (few CORs and RDMs who have signed up). It's definitely a BLM item before any other job, but when you run out of BLMs to hand it to, SCH's not a bad second. We run a point system also, but with the clause that job priority takes precedence over points.

I don't see the logic in any of this. Unless you blatantly refuse to let Scholars do a thing but cast Stoneskin on your tanks, there's no reason your Scholars and Corsairs shouldn't be perfectly capable of keeping up with your Black Mages.

[Wulfgang]

Kanican's post is pretty amazing, never knew a lot of that. Gogo SCH!

[Yugl]

Let the SCH lot as well if he has enough points. On resistant HNMs SCH rarely has the opportunity to gear itself towards maximizing damage since it spends most slots on reaching the 320/120 point. Novio provides a rare opportunity to greatly enhance damage since it takes the slot of a 2INT item. BLMs on the other hand can more easily reach that point and start maximizing their gear for higher damage. This also includes inherent traits that BLM receive. In other words, Novio on SCH is a rare chance to increase damage, while Novio on BLM is a chance to increase already high damage. Overall, I think Novio will be used more by BLMs due to the role they play in EG and because they worry less about resists on some HNMs, but it is a nice piece for SCH and provides a benefit that almost no other piece allows.

[Ksandra]

The person who casts first is going to do more damage regardless. Why squabble over something nobody is going to notice outside of Puddings?

Give it to the person who deserves it.

This.^

Will you guys not be able to do certain hnm if your blm doesn't have a novio? No. If someone earned it and wants it, let them have it. It's not the end of the world if a blm doesn't have a novio. Even if a blm can "utitlize" it better. You need to take a step back and realize that in many respects it's a trophy item for nukage, and that shouldn't just be limited to one class.

[Kainos]

I dont see why SCH should not be allowed to lot. Outside of a resist build where you might be using ele earring/+INT one, Novio will help alot. I mean SCH can nuke just as good as BLM and even better if its over a long period of time. Dynamis, Limbus, Sky/Sea farming and lesser HNM are all events that SCH can be thrown in a blm party and nuke without worrying too much about resists.

If you are only using them to buff the tank pty then it's a waste, but an active SCH being used properly can fit any role wheter its healing/nuking. Also, keep in mind that SCH dosnt have a lot of gear options, Novio is one of the few "High Ticket" items they can wear.

[FailureMidgard]

If you assume a Black Mage and a Scholar are nuking:

A. Earring will add nearly the exact same damage to a Thunder4 for both characters.
B. Scholar will get more nukes in than a Black Mage in any given timeframe.
C. Scholar can use Ebullience to add +20% (making the earring worth 8.5 MATTK) to a spell if needed.
D. As someone said, a scholar can do more damage per manapool than a black mage already.


Really, people saying it is Black Mage only are being incredibly closed minded. Really, give it to someone who nukes at your events (We also bring scholar to salvage, who switches between both arts, based on situation...we never bring a blm to salvage, though I know some group do). If a scholar does that, then there is absolutely ZERO basis in math to give it to a BLM before a SCH.

edit: TLDR version: Nuking scholar gets more out of Novio than a black mage. The only thing is the scholar has to be 1 that is nuking, to get any benefit.

[The Blackrose]

SCH does more than Phalanxga and Stoneskinga in a group environment?

I hang just fine with the Black Mages, thank you very much.