novio vs sch

[EternalSnow]

If the sch shows up more to events and has more points than the blm. Than you should give the novio to the scholar.

[Kilhart]

So what about those instances where players come to events as classes they don't want to be on for the sake of supporting the LS? Should players be burdened simply because they happen to have an extra class that the LS needs? You might say well if the DRK has PLD and wants Wyrmal Legs, he can come to events as PLD, but there are exceptions to this. First, there may be a greater supply of PLD in the LS than DRKs. In which case, it would be better for that player to come DRK instead of PLD. Second, a lack of a needed class will demand that players with multiple classes stay on one class. For example, if an LS barely has enough BLMs to perform an event, a leader will keep that small pool of players on BLM. In both cases, the class that the player uses is determined by external forces. Furthermore, because these situations can be reoccurring, it follows that they may rarely gain the opportunity to utilize gear they want for their "secondary" classes. A prime example of how these two scenarios occur is 2004 sky. Before TP burn strategies on GNMs were developed, LSs utilized SC + MB method. Back then, it was essential that there was a BLM PT within the alliance. Yet, he only piece of gear they receive from sky is Zenith Mittens. Most of the remaining gear is centered around DD. However, because BLMs were necessary and BLM scarcity was an issue (For some LSs at least), most players stayed on BLM. If drops were distributed according to how they would be utilized at events, then how would the people forced to play BLM gain access to gear for their SAMs and MNKs? Should they sit at the bottom of the list even if it means that the only piece of gear they'll see for months in Zenith? If so, then it would be reasonable for BLMs to pick up another sky LS or stick with a dynamis LS

*rides in on a unicycle*

Hay guyz, wutz goin on dis WHAT THE F- *crashes into wall of text*

[Kriz]

I'm glad the consensus is that its worth it for SCH. I'm a WHM and SCH only (apparently rare, only BLMs level SCH or somesuch nonsense), and I've considered the idea of trying to join a group that'd do events like Sea, but I've always felt that I'd be forced out of a nuking mode and made to 100% AoE -na and buff.

In Kaeko's posts, he noted that Scholar really doesn't have much gear to lust after (to be fair, neither does WHM imo), and any LS that second-rates what my SCH could do I wouldn't want to join.

[Acturus]

I'm glad the consensus is that its worth it for SCH. I'm a WHM and SCH only (apparently rare, only BLMs level SCH or somesuch nonsense).

My BLM is level 40, and I'm SCH75.

[evilpaul]

My BLM is level 40, and I'm SCH75.

Freak.

[Acturus]

Freak.

Only god can judge me!

Seriously though, it sucks to have three jobs that share little gear AND a Mog House that's fully decorated. Why I'm leveling RNG next, I'll never know.

[Rokimus]

Give SCH a chance! In the hands of a highly skilled SCH, a Novio ups the potential to do some amazing stuff. Granted, it's a token item, but don't withhold the love from SCH.

[dejet]

I do understand that a sch can get much use from this item and that was taken into account, however the ls voted to keep it as a blm only item. Can sch outnuke a blm yes they can. But for the most part only very well geared schs can do so. this takes tones of gil or your ls claiming mobs and your sch spending points or being given the items to do so.

I wont lie the schs who are well geared can do a lots. also your sch wont be pulling off no 2.4k burst II (I have seen 1.5k(MB) on my server and thats good dmg.)

then if you want them to do all this they have to be in dark arts. making what we use it for healing/buffs done and gone.

End of story, Linkshell voted no. this could change someday, but like many of you said most sch's have blm lvled as well.

thanks for the input guys.

[The Blackrose]

this takes tones of gil or your ls claiming mobs and your sch spending points or being given the items to do so.

A good chunk of the big ticket items required for Scholar nuking is Rare/EX from places that don't involve claiming mobs, or can be low manned (even soloed). The rest are stuff that eventually Black Mages would have to pay gil out for as well. Certain pieces are cross-compatible with both jobs (which is a boon on mog space, by the way).

I wont lie the schs who are well geared can do a lots. also your sch wont be pulling off no 2.4k burst II (I have seen 1.5k(MB) on my server and thats good dmg.)

Waving the E-Penis around is going to do nothing for you if you don't have the MP input to continually create that kind of damage. Especially when you start talking about a spell that is MP-inefficient.

then if you want them to do all this they have to be in dark arts. making what we use it for healing/buffs done and gone.

Scholars are incredibly flexible. It's one of our defining traits. If you're strictly regulating it to healing/buffs, that's your loss.

On the other side of the coin, someone who stays in 24/7 Dark Arts without supplementing his fellow mages is just as much a loss.

[Kerberoz]

If you're doing 2.4k (hope that's without day/weather) magic bursts, you're fighting a mob so weak that only enmity matters, anyway.

[Okan]

Player, not class, blah blah blah.
I'd give Novio to a PUP that was consistent before I gave it to some shady career BLM.
Same for Ridill, E body, a body, anything. I'd reward the players and not the job. Don't like it? Then don't raid with me.

[dejet]

A good chunk of the big ticket items required for Scholar nuking is Rare/EX from places that don't involve claiming mobs, or can be low manned (even soloed). The rest are stuff that eventually Black Mages would have to pay gil out for as well. Certain pieces are cross-compatible with both jobs (which is a boon on mog space, by the way).



Waving the E-Penis around is going to do nothing for you if you don't have the MP input to continually create that kind of damage. Especially when you start talking about a spell that is MP-inefficient.



Scholars are incredibly flexible. It's one of our defining traits. If you're strictly regulating it to healing/buffs, that's your loss.

On the other side of the coin, someone who stays in 24/7 Dark Arts without supplementing his fellow mages is just as much a loss.

idk why people make such a big deal about MP. rdm bard in blm pt = who gives a fuck about mp... maybe in small groups yes. but for the most part we dont go and do much without a group of 10+ people.

blexible? yes but to be as good as a whm you need to do light arts blm do dark arts, you want to have the stona? better use one your stags, want thunder IV? stag. want to nuke 1/2 mp stag. yes flexible but they are limited.


not going to quote it but as for MB thing, sc/mb i guess im thinking mainly of faf/nid. its not hard to pull 2.1k dmg with thunder obi.

[Acturus]

End of story, Linkshell voted.

And you know, that's fine too. A linkshell will do what a linkshell will do.

The important thing for your linkshell is to be consistant with its rules.

Sorry that it's not what you wanted though.

[Yugl]

Wait, why did they ask for our opinion when LS vote would override/solve the entire matter?

[ramp]

To get exactly that, an opinion, and to see how other linkshells are handling this.
They obviously ignored the general consensus in this thread, but that's their right to do

[Yugl]

To get exactly that, an opinion, and to see how other linkshells are handling this.
They obviously ignored the general consensus in this thread, but that's their right to do

Well that's my point. It's like making a "Which offense is the worst" thread or a "Which piece of gear is better" thread when you've already conformed to a choice (Or in this case a means of making that choice).

[Unlikelyhero]

Player, not class, blah blah blah.
I'd give Novio to a PUP that was consistent before I gave it to some shady career BLM.
Same for Ridill, E body, a body, anything. I'd reward the players and not the job. Don't like it? Then don't raid with me.

I like you.

[Ultimagi]

I concur, within the boundaries of being able to, or having genuine intention to, actually equip the item.

[Eightyone]

End of story, Linkshell voted no. this could change someday, but like many of you said most sch's have blm lvled as well.

Since it's BLM only, is it wrong for the SCH to refuse to Nuke now? Since they are not blm's and our nukes are "weak" and we are limited by the ls to make them stronger.

Doesn't matter now because the poll was closed before everyone had a chance to vote... Then the sch was kicked because a member had difficulty registering to the website to vote and the sch was accused of having false votes made.

not going to quote it but as for MB thing, sc/mb i guess im thinking mainly of faf/nid. its not hard to pull 2.1k dmg with thunder obi.

Thunder Obi it not very useful without a sch, unless you get lucky on weather and/or day

then if you want them to do all this they have to be in dark arts. making what we use it for healing/buffs done and gone.

welp. No sch now.

~This is not an attack on Dejet, he's a very nice guy and a great player.~

[Day]

The sch got kicked? Is this for real lol?