novio vs sch

[MR.fury]

Yeah he got kicked, cause he woundn't take there bs, amazinly MOST the people who vote blm only were um well blm's ><

[Day]

Yeah he got kicked, cause he woundn't take there bs, amazinly MOST the people who vote blm only were um well blm's ><

Oh god lol. I don't even know what to say.

So he got kicked or left because it sounds like he pitched a fit over it and left. I think we need more details here.

[Okan]

Sounds like a bit of both. He'll say he left and the LS wanting to be tough will say he was kicked... Either way, it's good the SCH is out of a stupid LS like that.

[MR.fury]

no no he got kicked, after a very "heated" agument on vent with one of the leaders for 45 minutes. it's actully very funny conversation the sch recorded it lol

[Okan]

My point. And if I ask him, he'll probably say he left. Either way, your LS is retarded.

And before you try to defend yourself: You ask him to come on SCH, but won't let him receive rewards for a job he plays because it's "better" for BLMs. No matter who comes on here and tries to defend it, your LS is retarded. I am a BLM. Never leveled SCH. SCH should be equal.

[Kainos]

Were they going to sell it? If no BLM needed and Novio was sold instead of giving it I would be pissed

[Kairos]

Like many posters have said before, I can't believe this ls still uses the archaic job priority and tier jumping system that has been tried and proven to fail over and over again. They need to get out of the stone ages and witness the wonders of pure point system. if the person has points, attendance, and a job that can benefit from the item, no kind of "It's a better item for me!" stupidity should come before that. My ls runs entirely on points system and attendance clearing. I was able to even get things like ixion cloak and such for my pup because i showed up frequently to events, got the points, and outbid everyone else who was interested in it. I use that on my sch as well sometimes. You guys might want to try an auction system with points and do away with job priority entirely.

I'll be damned if I show up to events as sch (which i don't even like playing really), and not be able to lot gear on that benefits it. Blm and Sch should both be able to lot novio on equal footing. A sch who has say 100 points to purchase novio should not be outdone by a blm with only 70 points and a 50% attendance rate just because he is a blm. Even with equal points and attendance they should both have a chance.

If Novio is really such a rare and precious treasure for the shell, they need to start doing a lot more sea and JoL's (or doing them more quickly and frequently) anyway.

[Drex]

I'd leave that LS too, even if I weren't a SCH. It's ok though, if they're this stupid, they'll probably wipe to JoL too.

Pro-tip: LS votes about a narrow issue like this are pretty pointless. The BLMs will all obviously vote BLM only, the SCHs will obviously be outnumbered by the BLMs, and the melee/tanks have no idea what they're talking about when they vote anyway.

SCH has just as much of a right to Novio as BLM, and that's coming from a BLM with level 1 SCH. I hope a bunch of BLMs lot novio and then leave your fail LS for a better one.

I wont lie the schs who are well geared can do a lots. also your sch wont be pulling off no 2.4k burst II (I have seen 1.5k(MB) on my s

Comparing max damage is stupid, of course a BLM wins there, they have AM2. If you compare damage per MP spent, SCH will win easily. The fact that you use them as a healer/buffer only is not their fault - it's the same argument as saying "well you only come BRD, so why should we let you lot gear for your WAR?" to someone who asks if they can come WAR to every event. You are not using your members appropriately, and you are dictating what they can and can not lot on based on the way you use them.

[MR.fury]

Yeah i'll prolly leave the shell too after i burn my points to tell the truth this really pissed my off as well, and i don't even like sch, i deem this LS too fail shortly too. This was just totally unfair and very narrow minded, oh they kicked a another member who they accussed of "stacking" vote for sch but the have site admin so theres really not anyway they could do that. bunch of dumbasses lol

[Kaelia]

Bless that SCH, and may he find a LS with some common sense.

This kind of fail sort reminds me of my LS from like 2 years back. It was "end game" but only in a sense that they did sky, some Dynamis, etc. No sea, no kings, though maybe they did a couple camps in the past or something. At one point me and another member were up in DA camping Fafnir with some friends for the hell of it because there was no event so we had some free time. LS leads start bitching saying they're going to kick us (pretty long-term, committed members) for "camping with another LS." Dropped my pearl then and there, and a handful of others went with me. Shell broke a few months later tops due to terminal retardation.

Other guy in the SCH's LS, you know what to do.

[Yugl]

it's the same argument as saying "well you only come BRD, so why should we let you lot gear for your WAR?" to someone who asks if they can come WAR to every event. You are not using your members appropriately, and you are dictating what they can and can not lot on based on the way you use them.

And here people thought my block of text made an obvious point. I guess not.

[Wolfknight]

Yeah i'll prolly leave the shell too after i burn my points to tell the truth this really pissed my off as well, and i don't even like sch, i deem this LS too fail shortly too. This was just totally unfair and very narrow minded, oh they kicked a another member who they accussed of "stacking" vote for sch but the have site admin so theres really not anyway they could do that. bunch of dumbasses lol

I'd agree this is just retarded and bias to decide like this, have fun never having a decent sch in your ls cause you hate them.

[Katarzyna]

Might just be my server, but end game career SCHs are rare in itself. So I knew off the bat as soon as I saw the "LS vote" post that the lone SCH was going to get shafted by a bunch of pretentious whiny BLMs.

I concur with others who say "Why do you make him come SCH and not reap the rewards?" In my opinion, you LS is very poorly run. Limiting items like a Novio to BLM only is a retarded concept. Sounds like a bunch of people unwilling to realize that this is 2009 and BLM isn't the only nuking class anymore.

The fact that your LS put it to a vote without even realizing the extreme biased already against the SCH is ridiculous. You knew the result of it before you even posted. Why would you post it if everyone was in agreement to begin with?

Big ups to the SCH for realizing the huge whiff of bullshit and speaking up. Whether kicked or he/she just left matters not. It's just good to see someone speak up when their efforts are obviously going unrecognized.

[Daiiawn]

not going to quote it but as for MB thing, sc/mb i guess im thinking mainly of faf/nid. its not hard to pull 3.1k dmg with thunder obi.

Fixed

Havent really commented on this, but i personally have Blm(main)/Sch/Cor as my only 75s, im also in vig's ls where we have the BLM > SCH > All. Personally for OUR shell that works fine, it could maybe do with being BLM>SCH>COR>All or something, but that only really affects one person who is currently leveling blm.

As vigs said, we have something like 9 sch's, 6 of which have blms 75. Of the 3 that dont, 2 are trial members and one doesnt is more into what sch can do as support than pure damage. We currently dont use sch for nuking on anything (largly down to the fact that most dont seem to have the real urge to try it and i am lacking 1-2 key bits of gear before i want to try it).

If we had sch's come into the ls with 320/130~ setups who want to try wyrms/kings etc then there would be no reason for council to not let them try and once they had proven they could perform along with our blms there would be no reason not to put them = with blm on novio.

Im usually in the top 1-3 on parses on blm and as soon as i finish gearing/meriting my sch i fully intend to bring it to faf/ouryu/tia and expect to out parse or be at least very close to our other top blms while being flexable and able to help hold mobs if needed.

[KoD]

But for the most part only very well geared schs can do so. this takes tones of gil or your ls claiming mobs and your sch spending points or being given the items to do so.

Yeah It takes TONS OF GILS because you are stopping a SCH getting the best MATT Earring by useing points and now they have to spend 15million gil plus or minus to get it...

And its not like SCH gets TONs of End game gear, they don't get to wear Zenith, Salvage Gear or Nyzul Isle Gear, Or anything from Sky or Land HNMs So would it really hurt to give them one of the only few if any pieces of gear to them or even give them the right to beable to lot them!

Edit: made it make more Sense !

[Okan]

You know, when you're posting on a message board you can actually slow down and type a proper sentence with grammar, spelling, and coherency instead of trying to spam +1 comments... It doesn't need to be perfect, but remember other people are going to attempt to read your gibberish.

In other words, I have no idea what the hell you just said because there is more numbers than letters. And no, that isn't a shot at Arabic languages.

Edit: Thank you. I can understand that now.

[dejet]

well id liek to keep it to the shell, 81 has sorta forced me to tell you what happened.



it was taken to the leaders by (81) that he wished novio rule to be changed. i talked with the other leader, who really did not side with it. as did i. really we could of left it there and said no, we made a post on BG(this one) and linked it to the vote for the members to read and pick their own side. we closed the vote with novio being a total no to sch.

the following day 81 was pissed off starting drama in linkshell chat. me and the other leader got mad that he would not let it go. he then posted on the forums saying right to everyone that we did not really like black people just about... saying "i thought this stopped on nov4th" next we found out that not hiim(but people he was talking to) where trying to add votes in favor of sch, when they had posted their vote already.

also a note, 81 at one time was a leader in the shell he lost that when he started waving warnings around to everyone in the shell for joking around.

member1:"ah your gay shut up lol"
81:thats it warning

so theres a lot more to this then just the novio.

we dont have even 10 blms in the shell, so more then just blm voted to say no.

we also got wind that he really did not want this for his sch at all, he was just trying to find a way to get it for his ranger. (some magic attack build for X bow and new WS) all this with him not letting it go and starting drama anytime he logged on forced us to kick him.

i wont answer to anything 81 posts here, i really dont want to make something that does have a lot of good info in it turn into a flame war, this is not advanced so maybe lock it or something, if it really matters to you that much you can leave me a PM and i can give you some more deeper info.

[Okan]

it was taken to the leaders by (81) that he wished novio rule to be changed. i talked with the other leader, who really did not side with it. as did i. really we could of left it there and said no, we made a post on BG(this one) and linked it to the vote for the members to read and pick their own side. we closed the vote with novio being a total no to sch.

If you already were not going to allow it, nor was the other leader, then why did you waste our time asking for our opinions where we overwhelming proved to you and backed up that SCH would be just as beneficial to receive it.

we dont have even 10 blms in the shell, so more then just blm voted to say no.

Go back a few posts or pages and find the post where someone said that it's basically BLM versus SCH in your debate. People who have SCH will vote for SCH. People who have BLM will vote for BLM. Friendship will influence the votes for people who have neither. Ignorance for those who have neither a friend or job of that requirement. So in the end, the vote was skewed. I could go to almost ANY linkshell forum and post a vote and I promise you that 2-3 SCHs will say okay and the BLMs will vote BLM only.

member1:"ah your gay shut up lol"
81:thats it warning

Did you ever ask him why he was doing this? I've been in some linkshells/guilds/clans with a large gay community and they really didn't like it when people would insult each other with that or even say something like "Ugh, this is gay." Since he was a leader, maybe someone confided in him that they didn't like that and he took a step up to stop it. Maybe not in the correct way, but he could have been trying.

we also got wind that he really did not want this for his sch at all, he was just trying to find a way to get it for his ranger. (some magic attack build for X bow and new WS) all this with him not letting it go and starting drama anytime he logged on forced us to kick him.

From every post I've read here that has stated that SCH should be allowed to lot on the earring, his "drama" is justified by silly leadership. However if the statement that he wanted it to play around on RNG is true, then he is greedy. However I have to doubt this because we both know that he would have used the earring on SCH primarily and yes, he would have played with it on RNG just as I would use it on BLM mostly and play with it on BST for Primal Rend.

[nekura]

And its not like SCH gets TONs of End game gear, they don't get to wear Zenith, Salvage Gear or Nyzul Isle Gear, Or anything from Sky or Land HNMs So would it really hurt to give them one of the only few if any pieces of gear to them or even give them the right to beable to lot them!

They do get Goliard. >_>;

[dejet]

okan

the plan was to let the members vote, we took the time so they could see how other people saw it. just because the leaders do not want it one way dont mean we wont do it.

he was doing it to throw he wight around is why he dropped warnings everywhere, the leaders asked if anyone was hurt by this (many times) to drop us a /tell and it will be dealt with, not one person came to us.