novio vs sch

[Massimo]

Why would I troll you? You obviously haven't read this thread at all.

I'd give coins to a WHM/BLM/SMN for Brutal Earring before I gave them to any shady player. REGARDLESS OF THEIR CLASS. It's just a bonus that this 81 guy had SCH leveled up to make full usage of Novio and he seemed pretty damn reliable. From the descriptions, if he was once a leader, he had to be considered reliable for that. Seems like someone in the LS just built a vendetta against the guy.

Problem is, this guy sounds like an idiot, which was the point I was trying to make. I wouldn't give a Novio to an idiot. If YOU had read the thread, I was stating that ^ exact thing earlier in a post.

I wouldn't give coins to a WHM for their Holy nukes, I'd give them for melee though, if they're the most deserving. There's a line, no matter how dedicated people are.

Just the fact that he thinks it works on Tachi: Rana proves my point though.

[Okan]

There's a line, no matter how dedicated people are.

No there isn't. I'd give it to the WHM for their holy nukes. If he's been there long enough, he obviously has shown he's capable at performing his job properly as a WHM. Why dick him over? You're trying not to sound like the other elitists, but you are doing it at the same time.

And I don't play SAM to know it if works on Rana. However he did say he had two other jobs that we KNOW it works on and he wanted to see if it did work on Rana... God forbid this man experiment or have fun. FFXI is meant to be droll and boring.

[Massimo]

No there isn't. I'd give it to the WHM for their holy nukes. If he's been there long enough, he obviously has shown he's capable at performing his job properly as a WHM. Why dick him over? You're trying not to sound like the other elitists, but you are doing it at the same time.

And I don't play SAM to know it if works on Rana. However he did say he had two other jobs that we KNOW it works on and he wanted to see if it did work on Rana... God forbid this man experiment or have fun. FFXI is meant to be droll and boring.

I'd rather give it to a 50% attendance SCH than to a 100% attendance guy's SAM, to gimp his Tachi: Rana's.

I know that isn't the case here, but at least the item won't be wasted then. Being dedicated doesn't mean you know how to use shit. And you threw the 'fun card' pretty early.

IT'S MY $12 I CAN HAS DO WAT I WANT LOL. (I know I do that a lot.)


Also; how does item distribution have anything to do with being elitist? Because I don't like when items are wasted? Jesus christ.

[Okan]

Also; how does item distribution have anything to do with being elitist? Because I don't like when items are wasted? Jesus christ.

When you are blocking other players from doing something they want because "it's not right" therefore you're acting more elite than the other player.

And I don't know about your LS, but if your SAMs aren't pulling their weight, I'd have dropped them. A SAM that wants Novio simply for Rana doesn't know how to play and probably isn't pull their weight so to have been in the LS long enough to gain enough points to obtain the Novio...

And last night, I have a revelation after all these arguments that I still hate FFXI and wonder why I'm playing it. D: It's probably that I just like wasting my time here at work arguing about things that makes the game "fun" to me.

[Katarzyna]

Also; how does item distribution have anything to do with being elitist? Because I don't like when items are wasted? Jesus christ.

Except, that isn't the case here. The case is Novio for a SCH. Novio is obviously beneficial to a SCH if used properly. It's not a "wasted item," as SCH can use it just as well as BLM, as others have posted.

Problem is, this guy sounds like an idiot, which was the point I was trying to make. I wouldn't give a Novio to an idiot. If YOU had read the thread, I was stating that ^ exact thing earlier in a post.

Except he didn't start acting like a childish fool until AFTER the linkshell denied him lotting rights.

Look, I'm not saying the SCH's actions were merited. He may have acted like a jerk, provided we are getting both accurate portrayals of the story. But there is a few conclusions we can draw here:

1) He was probably the first and only SCH with enough points/attendance to even be considered for a Novio in that specific linkshell.
2) He must have pulled his weight, because who the hell would post a topic like this if he didn't? He must've had the points and attendance to earn the right to lot, if we ignore the retarded "job priority" thing this LS has set up.

We're not talking about giving E Bodies to someone with only WHM 75, but their WAR is 37 and they said "I might level it." We're not talking about passing up BB items to the up-and-coming level 50 MNK while other 75s are still waiting. We're talking about a MAB earring being given to a level 75 SCH, someone who would clearly make use of it. Who fucking cares if he wanted to use it on other jobs, in addition to his SCH? That's no one's fucking business. If he was permitted to lot (for his SCH), and he used it (for his SCH), it's shouldn't make a difference if he used it on BST, RNG, NIN, RDM, or any other job. If his linkshell is going to leech the powers of a SCH and not let the SCH reap the benefits of lotting gear that would obviously benefit the SCH and the linkshell, then the linkshell has no fucking business letting SCHs join. It's that simple. Anything that happened afterwards is childish bullshit and has no bearing on the issue at hand.

[Okan]

Phrased so much better than me.

[Massimo]

Except, that isn't the case here. The case is Novio for a SCH. Novio is obviously beneficial to a SCH if used properly. It's not a "wasted item," as SCH can use it just as well as BLM, as others have posted.

Way to not read at all, I already stated that. I know SCH can put a Novio to perfectly good use.

Except he didn't start acting like a childish fool until AFTER the linkshell denied him lotting rights.

Look, I'm not saying the SCH's actions were merited. He may have acted like a jerk, provided we are getting both accurate portrayals of the story. But there is a few conclusions we can draw here:

1) He was probably the first and only SCH with enough points/attendance to even be considered for a Novio in that specific linkshell.
2) He must have pulled his weight, because who the hell would post a topic like this if he didn't? He must've had the points and attendance to earn the right to lot, if we ignore the retarded "job priority" thing this LS has set up.

We're not talking about giving E Bodies to someone with only WHM 75, but their WAR is 37 and they said "I might level it." We're not talking about passing up BB items to the up-and-coming level 50 MNK while other 75s are still waiting. We're talking about a MAB earring being given to a level 75 SCH, someone who would clearly make use of it. Who fucking cares if he wanted to use it on other jobs, in addition to his SCH? That's no one's fucking business. If he was permitted to lot (for his SCH), and he used it (for his SCH), it's shouldn't make a difference if he used it on BST, RNG, NIN, RDM, or any other job. If his linkshell is going to leech the powers of a SCH and not let the SCH reap the benefits of lotting gear that would obviously benefit the SCH and the linkshell, then the linkshell has no fucking business letting SCHs join. It's that simple. Anything that happened afterwards is childish bullshit and has no bearing on the issue at hand.

I agree with him being able to lot on SCH, but he shouldn't have said anything about his BST, RNG, NIN, SAM, whatever, at all. He just made his own case worse. And then the bitching about racism? In an MMO? Seriously?

Weak.

[Okan]

How did it make it worse that he said he wanted to use it on RNG, BST, NIN, SAM, RDM, WHM, or any other job? It shouldn't have influenced it at all since he'd still be using it for SCH at events.

I must have missed the rule where gear was only usable on the job that you lotted it on. Guess I can only use my Jaeger Ring on SMN and my Moldavite on WHM. /sigh

[Katarzyna]

Way to not read at all, I already stated that. I know SCH can put a Novio to perfectly good use.




I agree with him being able to lot on SCH, but he shouldn't have said anything about his BST, RNG, NIN, SAM, whatever, at all. He just made his own case worse. And then the bitching about racism? In an MMO? Seriously?

Weak.

1) I did read your post, and the only conclusion I drew was you got butthurt over shit that was said after the fact, and decided to post a weak argument about testing it out on his SAM, which had nothing to do with what this post was originally about: Should a SCH lot Novio?

2) I too am interested how he made his case worse. If he shows up to events as SCH 90% of the time as he says, then who the fuck cares what he does with this item when he's not in events? It's no one's fucking business what he does when he's in a campaign battle or just out and about on his own testing something.

[Massimo]

How did it make it worse that he said he wanted to use it on RNG, BST, NIN, SAM, RDM, WHM, or any other job? It shouldn't have influenced it at all since he'd still be using it for SCH at events.

I must have missed the rule where gear was only usable on the job that you lotted it on. Guess I can only use my Jaeger Ring on SMN and my Moldavite on WHM. /sigh

My palm and face don't usually get along this good.

I think it's best if I just stop talking to you, before I develop some sort of cancer. I've made my point.

Edit because people still can't read: I don't have a problem with BLM, RDM, COR or SCH getting Novio, those jobs can easily put it to good use if the player is competent. Give it to a NIN if he likes to kite solo and you don't got anyone else who deserves it, who cares.

Sadly, lots of people just want these items because others keep talking about how good they are, and themselves have no idea of how to actually put it to use. If this guy actually nukes, and have a decent set already, allow him to. But if he's gonna just get it and never use it, or get it so his RNG can use a subpar WS, why the hell would you? It depends on the player, rather than the job, as I keep saying, and as have been said over 9000 times in this thread already.

[Yugl]

Sadly, lots of people just want these items because others keep talking about how good they are, and themselves have no idea of how to actually put it to use. If this guy actually nukes, and have a decent set already, allow him to. But if he's gonna just get it and never use it, or get it so his RNG can use a subpar WS, why the hell would you? It depends on the player, rather than the job, as I keep saying, and as have been said over 9000 times in this thread already.

They're saying it doesn't matter how/if the player is going to use the item as long as they worked for it. And you thought they were the ones with reading problems.

[Massimo]

They're saying it doesn't matter how/if the player is going to use the item as long as they worked for it. And you thought they were the ones with reading problems.

No, I know what they're saying. The problem is; they act like I'm saying BLM ONRY.
Our points are for the most part the same, except that they're willing to waste items just because the player is 'dedicated'.

[Yugl]

No, I know what they're saying. The problem is; they act like I'm saying BLM ONRY.

No they're not, they're acting like you're saying it shouldn't go to incompetent players even if they worked for it. They never acted like you were saying it was a BLM ONLY item.

Our points are for the most part the same, except that they're willing to waste items just because the player is 'dedicated'.

And what part of that suggests they were accusing you of saying it's a BLM ONLY item? I think it's a valid point. If a player wants an item after enough work, then what's the problem? Competency is irrelevant considering the player was in the LS long enough to earn that many points, so obviously they weren't dragging the LS.

[Massimo]

And what part of that suggests they were accusing you of saying it's a BLM ONLY item? I think it's a valid point. If a player wants an item after enough work, then what's the problem? Competency is irrelevant considering the player was in the LS long enough to earn that many points, so obviously they weren't dragging the LS.

If people plan to actually use it, I agree with you. If they want it as a trophy, then it's just a waste of an item.

And no, competency isn't always irrelevant.

[Kerberoz]

If they're incompetent, kick them from the linkshell. Don't drag them along and deny them lotting rights.

[Massimo]

If they're incompetent, kick them from the linkshell. Don't drag them along and deny them lotting rights.

I guess I did make it sound that bad. lol

That's obviously not the case though.