And This is Why Boxing is a Joke

[Brill Weave]

So it begins.....

[Quixon]

I tried watching boxing for a period of time. I just couldn't get into it.

With boxing you can punch the head or the body....... that's it. Professional boxers easily guard those 2 simple areas. Somebody gets a shot in, fucking clinch.

This continues until 1 guy tires out and either gets knocked out, or manages to last 12 rounds.

MMA is much more up tempo and offensive for the most part. There's no bullshit clinching in the stand up. If the fighters try it in the ground game the referee stands them up. Now there's certainly some boring fights in MMA too. That is one of the things I liked about Pride....you fight a boring fight and lay on a dude hitting little rabbit punches for a full round.....you loose some of the purse.


That's my reasoning why I watch MMA of Boxing. I've been training and doing amateur fights in MMA also since 2003. From 2000-2002 I did wrestling and western boxing. I'm 25 in March.

[Dimmauk]

You cant compare the two sports with each other. They only similairites are punching and people getting Knocked out, and maybe bad judges. The rules are very different. You put a Pro MMA fighter in a boxing ring with a Pro Boxer with boxing rules, and MMA fighter will lose. Same thing happends if you flip it. Its all about the rules.

[Brill Weave]

I don't think it would be so cut and dry as just dumping an MMA fighter into a boxing match. Most of those guys have trained extensively in boxing. I can't say which is better, I can only say I enjoy watching MMA more than boxing. For me boxing has lost a lot of appeal over the years to the point where I don't even bother with it anymore. When I was younger I would watch the fights on USA and Espn on the weekends without fail.

[MrW]

Fuck MMA. Boxing, son. What!? Fight me.

[Dimmauk]

I don't think it would be so cut and dry as just dumping an MMA fighter into a boxing match. Most of those guys have trained extensively in boxing. I can't say which is better, I can only say I enjoy watching MMA more than boxing. For me boxing has lost a lot of appeal over the years to the point where I don't even bother with it anymore. When I was younger I would watch the fights on USA and Espn on the weekends without fail.

I enjoy watching both, but I enjoy watching MMA way more. Stations dont show boxing as much as they used to. There used to be fights on USA, ESPN, FOX, HBO and Showtime. Nowadays I can watch MMA almost every day. Spike and VS. shows UFC and WEC almost every day.

[Brill Weave]

Which is one of the huge reasons why boxing is falling behind while MMA is still rising. Non stop exposure. Boxing barely even shows commercials for their pay per view events anymore. Meanwhile every channel that a man would ever watch seems to show MMA commercials. Plus with the fact that big networks are now testing the waters with primetime shows, like how it was done with EliteXC, they are solidifying MMA's grip.

The only fights I watch now that are entertaining are the middleweight and lightweight fights(talking boxing right now not MMA lol.)

[Charismatic]

Every channel that a man would watch?
I didn't see any on the playboy channel.

[Fhqwghads]

Every channel that a man would watch?
I didn't see any on the playboy channel.

I dunno about that, they have mixed MMA on there where the guy seems to be in the woman's guard an awful lot. Not really sure how effective the man's strategy is though since all he seems to be doing is some weird kind of pelvic strike. Sounds painful though since the woman typically screams a lot.

[Dimmauk]

Did you spar with Dalt?

I been training 2o hours a day lifting big old cars
and big bails of hay (that's what he's doin')
and I run 10,000 miles every morning thinkin' about Dalt and my
moment of glory (tell 'em more)
I drink water 20 gallons a pop and I can throw a Volkswagon a
whole half block (he can do it too)
and 4 million sit ups...in a minute.... ..I ain't lying I did it

[BRP]

Let's fight like gentlemen.

Fuck you, I was going to post a picture and everything.

[FNH]

idk if anyone saw this but roy jones jr. comments on the boxing vs. ma squabbling:

Eight-time world boxing champion Roy Jones Jr. is moving into MMA, albeit on the promotional side of things.

His Square Ring Promotions will put on “March Badness,” a mixed boxing/MMA card on March 21 at the Pensacola Civic Center in Florida. A light heavyweight boxing match between Jones (52-5) and Omar Sheika (27-8) will be the main event, Jones said at a news conference Wednesday at the venue, where the show will be broadcast live on pay-per-view.

In an interview with Sherdog.com, Jones said he decided to test the waters of MMA promotions “because I respect all kinds of fighters. People are always saying, ‘Boxing this, MMA that.’ But both of those are hand-to-hand combat man-to-man. Anyone who will fight another man straight up like that, I got nothing but the utmost respect for.

“So to cure the stigma that we don’t like MMA or that we’re against it, to prove my point, I’m going to start promoting them too,” Jones said. “And they have a huge fan base too. They love fighting. Boxing. Ultimate fighting. It’s all still fighting.”

Jones said he does not understand the boxing-versus-MMA mentality.

“Why do people keep trying to pull us apart?” he asked. “Why not come together and make for an even bigger situation and make it better for both sports? MMA has something that boxing doesn’t have, which boxing needs to acknowledge.”

Jones said he believes the audience is there for a promotion combining boxing matches with MMA bouts.

“I know there is because a lot of times, the only time people get disappointed in MMA cards is when they don’t give them enough rounds,” he said. “In boxing, you always get enough rounds or a little more than you really want. So how about mixing the two and make it good for everybody? You get enough rounds, plus you get enough action too.”

Marcelo Alonso/Sherdog.com

Roy Jones Jr. would relish
a bout with UFC 185-pound
champion Anderson Silva.
Jones said the boxing skills of some MMA fighters are good enough for them to compete against professional boxers.

“Some of them can,” he said. “But you have to remember, not all of them have a boxing background. But boxing is only one of the components that make up MMA. You have to be good at at least two components: either boxing, either wrestling, or some form of jiu-jitsu or something like that.”

One such MMA fighter whose boxing skills Jones respects is UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva, who has said he would like to box Jones.

Jones said he would relish the fight.

“That would be a wonderful fight,” he said. “He is a good fighter and a good boxer and he’s quick and he’s tall and he’s left-handed. So he’s the kind of guy that really, in boxing, creates a problem for me.”

Jones said the UFC should allow Silva to fight him.

“They won’t, but why not allow us to come together?” Jones asked. “That’s a fight the people would like to see.”

Jones said the “March Badness” undercard will feature three MMA bouts: Seth Petruzelli (10-4-0) vs. former WEC light heavyweight champion Doug Marshall (9-3-0) in a light heavyweight fight, Roy Nelson (13-3-0) vs. Jeff Monson (27-8-0) in a heavyweight bout and former collegiate/WWE wrestler Bobby Lashley against an as-yet unnamed opponent. Petruzelli’s fight will be his first since his spectacular 14-second TKO of Kevin Ferguson, aka Kimbo Slice, at Elite XC “Heat” last Oct. 4.

In another boxing match on the card, IBF No. 2-ranked cruiserweight B.J. Flores (22-0-1) will fight another as-yet unnamed opponent.

[FNH]

also new(more like actual adherence) to quebec boxing commission rules may cancel UFC 97 or make it suck:

The UFC’s second trip to Montreal is in jeopardy following a decision by the Quebec Boxing Commission this week to adhere to regulations that prohibit elbow and knee strikes and other standard MMA moves.

Sportsnet.ca was the first to report on the story on Thursday.

Nearly 13,000 tickets have been sold for UFC 97 “Redemption,” scheduled to take place at the Bell Centre in Montreal on April 18, according to Marc Ratner, Vice President of Regulatory Affairs for the UFC. The show, which pits middleweight champion Anderson Silva against jiu-jitsu ace Thales Leites, may face tough choices in the coming days though.

The UFC broke attendance and box office records with its first event on Canadian soil 10 months ago, though that show was regulated under rules more akin to the unified rules of combat recognized throughout North America.

From 2000-2008, the Universal Combat Challenge, later renamed TKO, held 44 of its 46 events in Quebec under similar regulations as well.

But now Québécois officials are saying the province does not have the latitude to allow those or any other set of regulations outside of the ones they already have in place.

“We had a tolerance for the application of the rules in the past,” Réjean Thériault, director of communications for the combat sports division of the Governing Body of Alcohol, Races and Games of Quebec (RACJ), which oversees the commission, told Shedog.com on Thursday. “We learned today that we had a place for tolerance and we didn’t know. Now we know the rules under which to live. We informed all the promoters last week that they must now respect the rules of Quebec.”

Those rules regulate boxing, kickboxing and “mixed boxing,” which is described as a combination of boxing, kickboxing, wrestling and jiu-jitsu. Along with the prohibition of elbow and knee strikes both standing and grounded, the regulations also state that a referee will utilize a standing count to check on a fighter that has been knocked down.

The Octagon might also face downsizing to comply with the requirements, said Thériault.

Ratner, who has been in close contact with both the RACJ and commission in the last few days, said he believes the genesis for the sudden turn-around came from the near-riot that occurred last Friday at a Strikebox/Titans Fighting event in Montreal.

That event, promoted by former TKO president Stephan Patry, aimed to utilize MMA striking rules, but negated the ground aspect of the sport. However, the commission advised Patry that the proposed rule changes would not be allowed, and that the show would follow MMA regulations instead.

A private agreement amongst a majority of the fighters to keep the bouts standing was followed until the main event, when British brawler James Thompson took down Steve Bosse and began to ground-and-pound the Canadian hockey enforcer. The crowd of nearly 1,200 spectators erupted in disapproval, throwing chairs and beer cans. The commission called the contest, while the fighters had to be escorted out of the cage by security.

Though Thériault acknowledges that the Strikebox/Titans fiasco played a role in what appears to be a sudden adherence to the rules on hand, he said the decision has already been in the works for some time.

“[The Strikebox scenario] was an important part of getting us to this point, but Richard Renaud [Director of the Division of Combat Sports in the RACJ], who is replacing Mario LaTraverse, has been working with the President of the RACJ, Denis Racicot to change the sport, and noted that we had tolerated the [past] rules,” Thériault said.

Ratner believes LaTraverse’s retirement from the commission has also played a role in the recent events, but sees a positive outcome on the horizon.

“We're aware of the situation and working with [the RACJ and the Quebec Boxing Commission] to resolve the situation,” Ratner told Sherdog.com on Thursday. “I'm confident that this will all work out.”

While Ratner said discussions regarding the rules would continue into next week, Thériault emphasized that the RACJ was neither making any drastic changes nor trying to run the UFC out of town.

“We’re not following any new rules,” he said. “We’re following the rules that are in place.”

[archibaldcrane]

Mixed boxing/MMA cards are a good idea. It would be even a better idea if they did what DREAM did over New Year's Eve - mixed K1/MMA fights, where some traditionally K1 fighers fought MMA, and some traditionally MMA fighters fought K1.

There's plenty of MMA fighters I'd love to see in a boxing match against mid-level competition, and watching pure boxers in MMA could be interesting too.

Also, WTF at FNH's post - there's ...no way. They have to get that changed or move the card to the states. What a fucking disaster.

link to that article: http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/rul...montreal-16201

[FNH]

Mixed boxing/MMA cards are a good idea. It would be even a better idea if they did what DREAM did over New Year's Eve - mixed K1/MMA fights, where some traditionally K1 fighers fought MMA, and some traditionally MMA fighters fought K1.

There's plenty of MMA fighters I'd love to see in a boxing match against mid-level competition, and watching pure boxers in MMA could be interesting too.

Also, WTF at FNH's post - there's ...no way. They have to get that changed or move the card to the states. What a fucking disaster.

link to that article: Rules Shift Jeopardizes UFC 97 in Montreal

I just wonder if there is another place outside of Quebec that they could hold it, but mmajunkies report says the UFC is aware and are "going to make it work". IMO knees and elbows are essential to tying in the styles, without them your standup is limited to kickboxing and ground is straight wrestling/jiujitsu, litte ground and pound to help get a hold. Also would hinder Silva's thai boxing but he does have great western boxing to back it up. Shogun v. Liddell might suck heavily for shogun. </3

[Blarg]

If they are not allowed to use the regular mma rules in Quebec then they need to leave and find any new arena they can, it would be a disaster to go through with Quebec's retarded rules. It would be hard to take any of the fights seriously when you know it's not really a real fight anymore. I also find it funny that the comission was apparently oblivious to the fact that the UFC already had an event there and there was apparently no problems with the rules. Watching AS fight with no elbows or knees would suck.

[Fhqwghads]

The gym I'm at promotes fights that have MMA, Kickboxing, and Boxing events all in one night. It's really cool to have it all mixed up like that. If the UFC/WEC would add that roster they'd gain an even bigger following. I doubt that the athletic commission would buy into it though.