Tigole moves on

[Norellicus]

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Till We Meet Again

I wonder how different Icecrown Citadel (and any other major encounters concocted between now and end of Wrath) will feel given this...

I know he's ultimately the one that gets the blame for the 'hardcore mode' of vanilla wow, but there's still something to be said for his creativity given some of the encounters we've seen through TBC and early Wrath; think that's going to change much with him out of the picture?

[Eaglestrike]

I doubt he's the one who thinks up all the ideas. As well, it says he'll still be involved, just doesn't have the final say anymore. I don't think we'll feel it quite so much and I hope he does make Blizzard's next MMO great. Just think of WoW gameplay with next gen graphics...

[Tymon]

I doubt he's the one who thinks up all the ideas. As well, it says he'll still be involved, just doesn't have the final say anymore. I don't think we'll feel it quite so much and I hope he does make Blizzard's next MMO great. Just think of WoW gameplay with next gen graphics...

Hope not.

Warcraft graphics are a classic. WoW could have looked much better than it did, but they chose to keep the style of the art rather than upgrade the engine.

If they made it look all pstriple amazing then it would ruin some of the originality, imo

[Correction]

Just think of WoW gameplay with next gen graphics...

WoW's graphics have changed for the better of the years, and that's due mostly to an extremely strong design aesthetic, not some special shader technique unique to DX10.

I have full faith that their art will look good regardless of what the 'next mmo' ends up being, because if they're good at anything it's making a nice clean line between effects for effects sake and effects that enhance the experience of playing the game.

[Meresgi]

Now if only Kelgan would quit...

[Eanae]

Now if only Kelgan would quit...

Oh god this. Kaplan was an idiot too in my opinion. So one half of the ruining force of WoW is gone. Someone needs to hit Kalgan with a truck.

[Plow]

Tigole is a jackass.


My reaction to this is... /sigh @ him being in charge of the next one.

[Meresgi]

Tigole is a jackass.


My reaction to this is... /sigh @ him being in charge of the next one.

Yup this as well. I dont even know if I plan on playing w/e their next MMO is. They took WoW from being a great and fun game, to destroying it. Kelgan can go fuck himself in the skull with his Arena. Arena has had a hand in fucking this entire game up and for the most part, everyone hates it, even ppl that do Arena hardcore.

[Correction]

Why do people hate Tigole again?

[Eaglestrike]

Why do people hate Tigole again?

I think it has something to do with blaming him for every bad decision Blizzard has ever made but never giving him credit for the good ones.

[Correction]

Ah, right, just needed my memory refreshed on that point.

[Eanae]

I haven't like Tigole since reading his reaction to Warhammer and pretty much all the negative points he made about it WoW has the same current problems. (Population imbalance, etc)

[Maguspk]

Wait so what did this guy and Kelgan do to ruin WoW? From what I've heard from people who played raiding at 60, 70 and 80 WoW has only steadily got worse and the original developers or at least the early encounters were among the best with recent additions becoming more cookie cutter and simplistic; where anybody can PUG an encounter and get their epic lootz. Also, what's bad about Arena? They don't force you to do it do they? Or is it the rewards are difficult to get and really make people too powerful in PvP?

[Purrrfect]

Hope not.

Warcraft graphics are a classic. WoW could have looked much better than it did, but they chose to keep the style of the art rather than upgrade the engine.

If they made it look all pstriple amazing then it would ruin some of the originality, imo

I think the style worked very well for the RTS games, but for the MMORPG I would have much rather a bit less of the cartoonish/boxy art style. The look is a big part of why I can't just get into WoW like FFXI. I like the game for the most part, but that just doesn't work. I hope their next one comes out a better, they obviously know how to make something that can pull in subscribers.

[Bweigelt]

Wait so what did this guy and Kelgan do to ruin WoW? From what I've heard from people who played raiding at 60, 70 and 80 WoW has only steadily got worse and the original developers or at least the early encounters were among the best with recent additions becoming more cookie cutter and simplistic; where anybody can PUG an encounter and get their epic lootz. Also, what's bad about Arena? They don't force you to do it do they? Or is it the rewards are difficult to get and really make people too powerful in PvP?

This isn't entirely accurate. People are mostly just nostalgic when it comes to the 60 raid dungeons. The only one that was really great was Naxx. MC, BWL, and AQ all spent months being broken. Some encouters were awesome (I.E C'thun once they fixed him, Vaelstrazs, 4 horsemen, etc) but there were a lot of basic fights that required barely half a brain. In TBC Kara was a great starting point but again Gruul, SSC, TK, and Magtheridon were all broken. Then they screwed up with how they released Hyjal and Black Temple which is the issue most people had with those dungeons, not the encounters. Sunwell was just awesome and was provided the best raiding WoW has seen. Most of the complaints with the early raiding in WOTLK has been how easy it is. But most of that can be attributed to Blizzard wanting to make raiding more accessable, the naxx strats already being available seeing as it was a re-release of a dungeon, and them not wanting to make the same mistakes as they did with the early content in TBC. It also didn't help that Sunwell was so hard and everyone that had done the encounters there will find most of the early encounters in this expansion (probably even in the Ulduar) a cake walk. We won't really get to see if blizzard can build on that till the last two Dungeons.

The design of the encounters has been better in each release, it's just that it's not as big of a jump as some of the early encounters were, because most of those early encounters were so simplistic that the complex ones seemed more so if that makes any sense. Even the most basic encounters now are much more complex than the average raid boss in MC and BWL, peoples expectations are just higher.

I'm not big on Arena so I won't comment there.

[Correction]

I would have much rather a bit less of the cartoonish/boxy art style.

Every time I see this criticism I think "didn't level past 20."

Don't comment on the art style until you've seen enough of it to make an accurate judgement.

[Eaglestrike]

Every time I see this criticism I think "didn't level past 20."

Don't comment on the art style until you've seen enough of it to make an accurate judgement.

The "style" is a bit weird, I don't think you can argue that. But if you like the style the graphics are excellent and plenty enjoyable to look at. And I think the style grows on you, it is there for a reason, it's based on the graphics in the RTS's and for WoW it works and I don't really mind it at all. But I do hope the next game has a better style. I don't care about any specific shader and what not, but WoW is "cartoony" in its art style.

[Plow]

Watch Tigole talk at blizzcon or wherever for 10 minutes.


He's just plain a fucking douchebag, he honestly believes pve'ers are flat out better players than pvpers, he has blatant favoritism towards certain classes, and is a complete asshat about certain things just like any typical retarded MMO player.


He's like Sage Sundi with more responisibilities, if Sage Sundi would've come out a few years ago and said "loldrg they're dumb, I dunno why people would wanna play em" straight up.


And, honestly, that in itself wouldn't be that bad if it was followed up by "here's some ideas we have for fixing them," but, it's not.

[Plow]

Also, name one raid mechanic in TBC or WotLK that wasn't in original Naxx.


Only thing I can think of is KT floating. But I wasn't that big of a raider in TBC.


Even Sarth is modified Rag with optional bigger adds.

[Correction]

I think I just object to 'cartoony' because it can mean too many things. Vivid color palette? Distorted proportions? Help me out here.