A Band-Aid for Endgame - Discussion

[Kimiko]

Ok, I just recently posted over to my site a review of the recent Japanese player survey over on jpbutton.com. Basically what I want to talk about with you all is this. While SE is doing a fairly good job with newer players, a lot of the old school feel their being left in the cold. ITT: What areas of the game do we need to look at and how do we go about fixing them?

http://www.staronion.com/kimiko/?p=761

http://www.jpbutton.com/?p=2152

[Aro]

Beating the dead horse.

[Thistle]

While SE is doing a fairly good job with newer players, a lot of the old school feel their being left in the cold.

I've been playing since NA release and I don't feel left in the cold at all. Lots of stuff has been introduced for older players, it's just a matter of it being your cup of tea or not. 60K XP through MMM? Campaign? Lots of stuff.

If your only interest in the game is HNMing, then sure, maybe you're not jumping for joy right now. However, there's lots more in the game to do than that.

[Bishop1]

Crying about king armor is sad in 2009. Most king armor no longer rules as it once did. Odin has added so many ABJs in the game nearly every DRK/WAR has ebody and every mage has Dalmatica. Ridill is old news. Salvage gear is great addition to the game.

HNMs- PW is too hard, AV is too hard. Everything else is too easy. All I can say is if they make another HNM like AV it better drop some nice loot. Time events are fun and you can play the game at set times and be more productive. Waiting for NMs to pop you can and will waste time doing nothing. That is not productive and never should be a part of this game.

Something that I wouldn't mind seeing is another 100 floors of nyzul isle with all mobs VT-IT and bigger bosses with better drops or +1 items for the current gear.

[Darkrift]

/panic motion is the name of the site?

sounds like a jpbutton site, but with less jpbutton.


and I don't feel like long time players have received the shaft... but I will say I am getting sick of the game. I just don't think its due to not getting enough content. I am just getting less and less interested in ffxi.

[Kimiko]

no, /panic motion is my blog site. The original survey I refer to however was over at JPbutton. I'll update the OP with the direct link there.

[Devek]

We need a better client for the game, one that doesn't lag on my top of the line computer.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Justify why posting your own blog that echoes what thousands of other people have said is actually worthy of a thread and isn't just another post that deserves to be in our beautifully useless couple of threads in newbie devoted to whining about how we would fix the game. Seriously, what makes your ideas so special?

Threads for reference:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...ntial-has.html
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...rove-ffxi.html

[Darkrift]

Ohh snap! he just called you out. Good luck with the rebuttal.


Edit:


added the "Ohh Snap!"

[Destinye]

We need a better client for the game, one that doesn't lag on my top of the line computer.

Remember, FFXI is not a PC game, so if you're asking for a complete remake of the PC version ask yourself this:

Would I complain about them reworking the PC version instead of fixing "broken" things?

Its only the HNM scene that feels left out in the cold, the rest of the people who realize there's a whole world outside of the aery are pretty happy with most changes and additions.

[Seraph]

Crying about king armor is sad in 2009.

I still love how people rub salt in the wound when they bring it up to SE time and time again that part of their main content, specifically kings, is shit. Building many fine houses around a shitty one doesn't change the fact the original house still blows stinky ass. If anything, it detracts from the finer buildings.

[ringthree]

Maxx is correct, and you are making the same generic arguments that have already been answered and explained. There is a very good discussion going on in the newbie forum right now about this very subject.

[Khalil]

Remember, FFXI is not a PC game, so if you're asking for a complete remake of the PC version ask yourself this:

Would I complain about them reworking the PC version instead of fixing "broken" things?

Its only the HNM scene that feels left out in the cold, the rest of the people who realize there's a whole world outside of the aery are pretty happy with most changes and additions.

There's a bunch of little bits that need to be fixed with the game, most of which were already mentioned in Maxx's thread. Things like cure-lock, delay in your next spell/JA, etc. Little bits like these are what's bugging some people.

Personally, when it comes to endgame and the HNM scene, it all comes down to if you're willing to the same ol' shit without any sort of progress. Now, a lot of us are just accustomed to killing them over and over but a good chunk want more and I'm hoping SE will deliver way more HNMs.

[Kimiko]

Simple enough, because some of us do care enough to want to see the game survive & thrive.

[Destinye]

I still love how people rub salt in the wound when they bring it up to SE time and time again that part of their main content, specifically kings, is shit. Building many fine houses around a shitty one doesn't change the fact the original house still blows stinky ass. If anything, it detracts from the finer buildings.

Their main content is:

Missions
Quests
Vanilla leveling areas
Events

HNMs aren't a "main" content as you can enjoy your time in FFXI without touching one in your whole career, the thing is ever since ToAU, people held an unfair standard about content if it doesn't compare to ToAU.

The only thing I can agree on with ToAU is it brought some perfectly designed "end-game" enemies to fight via ZNM, and of course laziness but that's a different story. So the only thing wrong with vanilla and zilart areas is the fact they don't compare to ToAU, so it isn't fair to say HNMs is what drives the game basically.

[Kohan]

Simple enough, because some of us do care enough to want to see the game survive & thrive.

Still waiting for a proper rebuttal to Maxx's post.

[Maxxthepenguin]

And that's why your views are worthy to be in advanced rather than standard, where a discussion is already going on?

I care about this game but in no way is this thread going to change it, especially not with the ideas that have been trotted out by every poster that has ever been on BG. You seriously said "More endgame content! Fix AV and make PW easier! Increase drop rates!". You think people haven't said that before? You think that discussion hasn't been done many, many times on this board alone? No. It's been around. People have ranted about it ad nauseum.

But first and foremost, there are threads about it in standard and just because you wrote a blog post instead of leaving your views on the mercurial waters of a forum doesn't mean shit.

[Kimiko]

I still love how people rub salt in the wound when they bring it up to SE time and time again that part of their main content, specifically kings, is shit. Building many fine houses around a shitty one doesn't change the fact the original house still blows stinky ass. If anything, it detracts from the finer buildings.

Thank you! That is a perfect analogy for this situation. The game does have a bunch of great content out there, but it gets detracted by those 1 or 2 blemishes out there. We need to either fix those blighted areas, or remove and replace them with new, fresh content.

[Kipling]

And that's why your views are worthy to be in advanced rather than standard, where a discussion is already going on?

I care about this game but in no way is this thread going to change it, especially not with the ideas that have been trotted out by every poster that has ever been on BG. You seriously said "More endgame content! Fix AV and make PW easier! Increase drop rates!". You think people haven't said that before? You think that discussion hasn't been done many, many times on this board alone? No. It's been around. People have ranted about it ad nauseum.

But first and foremost, there are threads about it in standard and just because you wrote a blog post instead of leaving your views on the mercurial waters of a forum doesn't mean shit.

In before the lock?

[Devek]

Remember, FFXI is not a PC game, so if you're asking for a complete remake of the PC version ask yourself this:

You don't have to remake it just because it was written for the ps2. I'm assuming the have source code written in some language besides cobol that can given the once over by some professionals and turned into something good that will run on a pc.

They should honestly hire the windower people to the dev team just to do client improvements.