Glanzfaust Preliminary Testing

[Burnsy]

This doesn't - it's not - wait - but spharai - huh - um.
Missing something here.

I've outparsed Spharai, with no Usu gear, food, or bard songs. Wasn't alot, and the Spharai user fulltimed Osode and only used Final Heaven.

Relic/Mythic (outside of shield/horn) are epeen+5 and that's about it.

And I think Gtype needs to die in a fire, or at least choke on both his feet and my dick in his mouth. :D

[Cream Soda]

I've outparsed Spharai, with no Usu gear, food, or bard songs. Wasn't alot, and the Spharai user fulltimed Osode and only used Final Heaven.
:D

You outparsed a gimp monk then, not Spharai. For example, play as you do normally, replace destroyers with spharai and YOU will do better. You can't compare a shitty player to a good one. Spharai won't make a shitty mnk a good one, but it will make a good monk better. Also, the counter+ is a godsend, especially when you're pulling hate constantly, which you should be doing as monk anyways.

[Neosutra]

Oh Neosutra you were so right, we're so glad you were right. We really should have listened to your opinions one of the thousands of times they were posted but no, we foolishly sought to do such stupid things as testing. From now on, we'll just trust whatever you say. It's the only rational and scientific thing to do.

But most of all, you were right. We're all so happy for you. Thank you for having the sheer cockiness to point it out to us too, we never would have remembered how right you were if you didn't and that would have been a damn shame.

If it wasnt for the fact of the mountain of idiots crying havok that I dare declare the weapons a failure a couple months ago, I wouldnt have brought it up. So yes, "i told you so" is appropriate.

Deal with it.

[happydude]

Oh Neosutra you were so right, we're so glad you were right. We really should have listened to your opinions one of the thousands of times they were posted but no, we foolishly sought to do such stupid things as testing. From now on, we'll just trust whatever you say. It's the only rational and scientific thing to do.

But most of all, you were right. We're all so happy for you. Thank you for having the sheer cockiness to point it out to us too, we never would have remembered how right you were if you didn't and that would have been a damn shame.

+1

[Maxxthepenguin]

If it wasnt for the fact of the mountain of idiots crying havok that I dare declare the weapons a failure a couple months ago, I wouldnt have brought it up. So yes, "i told you so" is appropriate.

Deal with it.

Yes, you are right! Let us celebrate you! Those mountain of idiots who had some preposterous idea that we should find out the info first, before we get our final conclusion, were just that. A mountain of idiots.

All hail Neosutra, he who knows the truth. He who can skip any data collection and go straight from hypothesis to conclusion. I have faith in his words, truly.

[Neosutra]

Yes, you are right! Let us celebrate you! Those mountain of idiots who had some preposterous idea that we should find out the info first, before we get our final conclusion, were just that. A mountain of idiots.

All hail Neosutra, he who knows the truth. He who can skip any data collection and go straight from hypothesis to conclusion. I have faith in his words, truly.

Shout out the sarcastic rhetoric all you want, it still goes back to the point that you were a raging cock when I stated the initial tests of burtgang revealed that mythics were a failure. This isnt a game of mystery. Everyone knew what was required of the weapons to make them even compete with the non relic alternatives on the markets, and it was shown on day one of the first mythic completion that they didnt possess these qualities. You dont get to be a dick and say im over-reactive about the weapons, then come back months later and go "oh nevermind they do suck ass" w/o me getting my piece. And the point here is that people -should- be outraged, enough so that it becomes the dominate issue and SE is forced to do something about it.

There are alot of problems with this game, but mythics are a representation of just how out of touch SE is with its playerbase, and just how little reward they think we deserve for time spent.

Keep the sarcasm up all you want, it doesnt hide the fact that you were an ass when I was right on each account of mythic performance from day 1.

[TummieGaruda]

Back to mythic talk..

Alma what are your Ascetic's Furrys looking like damage wise? Also what about the earlier claim of Focus +5% Att and dodge +counter? Was that completely debunked?

[Nattack]

how long before i see an aymur... never?

guess ill start saving now..

[Appie]

I've outparsed Spharai, with no Usu gear, food, or bard songs. Wasn't alot, and the Spharai user fulltimed Osode and only used Final Heaven.

Veggeto already said it, but yea that guy you pt'd with is an idiot lol. Final Heaven has its place, but it sure as hell isn't a in a merit pt (unless you wanna make some light? XD but who does that). Osode fulltime too.. in a merit pt? Lol...

Back in the days of Ridill wars, I'd run a parse and sometimes just drop the parse because the ridill owner was an idiot and the parse wouldn't prove anything, this is similar.

[Burnsy]

Veggeto already said it, but yea that guy you pt'd with is an idiot lol. Final Heaven has its place, but it sure as hell isn't a in a merit pt (unless you wanna make some light? XD but who does that). Osode fulltime too.. in a merit pt? Lol...

Back in the days of Ridill wars, I'd run a parse and sometimes just drop the parse because the ridill owner was an idiot and the parse wouldn't prove anything, this is similar.

While I am not doubting the Spharai that I encountered was gimp as fuck, nor was an accurate test of their potential. Seeing how non-impacting they were on someone that obviously didn't know what the hell they were doing, made me even LESS apt to take the time/gil/sanity to do EITHER relic/mythic. If they don't take someone into the "broken" area of play, then all the time/money/effort, just isn't worth it. If I had partied with YOUR Spharai, Appie, or Bob's I'm sure that you would have left a much better impression on me.

Glanzfail does this to the enth degree, and while I respect the hell outta Alma for doing all the work to get this shit, I am pretty much just disgusted at SE's design for both these weapons, I'm just too old school, I miss hitting the hardest mob in the game with Bum Rush for 9999 damage.

[Araelus]

Even better was following that ←←↑↑→→↓↓← with a mimic!

....someone try it with Glanzfail. Maybe it unlocks Mythic Debug mode. //

OT: Spharai is supposedly the lowest marginal increase between second best weapon and relic weapon. But it's still the best H2H weapon, as Appie and Veggeto have pointed out. Glanzfaust is, horribly, worse than Destroyers.

[Colenzo]

millions of gil lol

[happydude]

While I am not doubting the Spharai that I encountered was gimp as fuck, nor was an accurate test of their potential. Seeing how non-impacting they were on someone that obviously didn't know what the hell they were doing, made me even LESS apt to take the time/gil/sanity to do EITHER relic/mythic. If they don't take someone into the "broken" area of play, then all the time/money/effort, just isn't worth it. If I had partied with YOUR Spharai, Appie, or Bob's I'm sure that you would have left a much better impression on me.

Glanzfail does this to the enth degree, and while I respect the hell outta Alma for doing all the work to get this shit, I am pretty much just disgusted at SE's design for both these weapons, I'm just too old school, I miss hitting the hardest mob in the game with Bum Rush for 9999 damage.

ok so somethings only worth it if it makes you character instantly godly and all powerful? thats retarded.

i agree the reward/effort for mythic is not even close but you cant argue that doing a relic isnt worth it. doing almost any relic is worthwhile, while some are stronger than others. Glanzfaust is a nice weapon if only it wasnt for the ridiculous requirements to get it

[Araelus]

millions of gil lol

Hundreds of millions of gil /not laughing

Version Update Notice (02/27/2009) needed to say "Square hires five actual FFXI players to help them, immediate positive changes result."

(Well, I guess it would depend on who the five guys are but knowing FFXI's penchant for random results being bad...)

[Tsuko_Asura]

Even better was following that ←←↑↑→→↓↓← with a mimic!

....someone try it with Glanzfail. Maybe it unlocks Mythic Debug mode. //

OT: Spharai is supposedly the lowest marginal increase between second best weapon and relic weapon. But it's still the best H2H weapon, as Appie and Veggeto have pointed out. Glanzfaust is, horribly, worse than Destroyers.

This seems to be a common misconception. Weapons like Senji, Destroyers, etc. are definitely powerful, but their respective relic upgrades make a large difference in the grand scheme of things. Its jobs like Samurai, Warrior, and Dragoon that really get jewed in terms of how much of a difference you're looking at.

[Shinta]

This seems to be a common misconception. Weapons like Senji, Destroyers, etc. are definitely powerful, but their respective relic upgrades make a large difference in the grand scheme of things. Its jobs like Samurai, Warrior, and Dragoon that really get jewed in terms of how much of a difference you're looking at.

Or BLM. I love how the mage relics and mythics don't even exist in the minds of many.

[Kairos]

the sch and blm ones have sure as hell been blocked from our collective memory. So sad... the sch weapon could have been so much more.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Or BLM. I love how the mage relics and mythics don't even exist in the minds of many.

Well, I'm speaking in terms of practical differences. I have my doubts as to how many people will care how fast you can kill a Lesser Colibri with a Tupsimati.

[Araelus]

This seems to be a common misconception. Weapons like Senji, Destroyers, etc. are definitely powerful, but their respective relic upgrades make a large difference in the grand scheme of things. Its jobs like Samurai, Warrior, and Dragoon that really get jewed in terms of how much of a difference you're looking at.

Well, I'm speaking in terms of practical differences. I have my doubts as to how many people will care how fast you can kill a Lesser Colibri with a Tupsimati.

I'll take your word for it because I have no idea how to put a number value on, for instance, the difference between Hagun's effective overall value (DMG, DPS, TP+, Y/G/K) vs. Amano's effective overall value (DMG, DPS, STP, acc+, Kaiten).

I can, however, take a skewed look at Destroyer's DPS and crit, then Spharai DPS and ignore counter+ and then I say things like "Spharai is supposedly the lowest marginal increase blah blah blah".

Apocalypse changes the way DRK is played. Yoichinoyumi changes the way RNG is played. All the relic weapons are the best DPS in class and add a WS. Some WS are better than others. (Claustrum is stupid, but it still has high DPS and a WS...)

I've said it before and I'll say it too many times. If someone has the resources to get something in this game and they want to do it and so they do, fine. Mythics are generally agreed upon to be a "waste". Relics besides Claustrum are not considered a waste (because they aren't a waste, they're great.) If I'm wrong about how to rank the marginal benefits of relics, then I'm wrong. But mythics seem to just be awful, even if they're not.

The cognitive dissonance when something that Square says is amazing and which is obviously difficult to achieve turns out to be ... well, Glanzfaust... it hurts in a way virtual items should not, because it just wasted a whole lot of some real person's real time and real effort.

[pchan]

Relics besides Claustrum are not considered a waste (because they aren't a waste, they're great.)

Great for what ? Fafnir ?