Glanzfaust Preliminary Testing

[Appie]

Burnsy is Mrburns from Rag? Should have guessed but it went passed me lol. What was the name of osode gimpy? XD

Anyway on topic:
Did you do any more tests to see if normal DA does stack with AM3?
And if the dodge boost is really counter? Also wondering if you could use Glanzfaust for focus/dodge macro, then switch back to Spharai and still keep the buffs. Could maybe work it out so that you only lose WS tp every 5mins for the enhancements if it works?

Either way, thanks for all the testing so far =)

[Almalexia]

2 hours of parsing at Nyzool Ja camp, MNK/WAR: 1 hour with Glanzfaust, 1 hour with Destroyers.

Haste, Minuet/March (Madrigal/March for Lurkers), Marinara Pizza.

Counterstance full time.
Berserk as often as possible.
Focus/Dodge used right before engaging Lurker.

Glanzfaust
Total DMG in 1 hour: 212359
Melee DMG: 143010
Hit/Miss: 1635/123; M.Acc: 93.00 %

Ascetic's Fury-- Total DMG: 17154; 21 hits; Low:434/High:1443; Avg.: 816.86
Asuran Fists-- Total DMG: 38988; 52 hits; Low:188/High:995; Avg.: 749.77

Crit #:186; Crit%: 11.38 %

146 Counters for 12743 DMG.
Counter rate: 53.68%

# Melee Attacks: 1758; 651 rounds; 464 extra attacks (including kicks)
+0 (2 attacks): 261 rounds
+1 (3 attacks): 319 rounds
+2 (4 attacks): 69 rounds
+3 (5 attacks): 2 rounds
+4 (6 attacks): 0; a crime against humanity

Destroyers
Total DMG in 1 hour: 205006
Melee DMG: 123423
Hit/Miss: 1425/140; M.Acc: 91.05 %

Asuran Fists-- Total: 65537; 90 hits; Low:322/High:1065; Avg.: 728.19

Crit #:253; Crit%: 17.75 %

170 Counters for 15657 DMG.
Counter rate: 60.71%

# Melee Attacks: 1565; 625 rounds; 333 extra attacks (including kicks)
+0 (2 attacks): 348 rounds
+1 (3 attacks): 235 rounds
+2 (4 attacks): 34 rounds
+3 (5 attacks): 8 rounds
+4 (6 attacks): 0

Data error:
I lost TP one time while using Destroyers since my target ran out of range.
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Going by total damage alone (including counters), a MNK/WAR with Glanzfaust does 5.08% more damage than a MNK/WAR with Destroyers in a Mamool merit situation. Without counter damage, Glanzfaust does slightly more over Destroyers.

I think this also proves Focus does not add anything to crit%.

Nothing in this parse addresses the Dodge augmentation, since using TP at 100% with Destroyers turned hate to me more frequently and enabled me to counterattack.

As for Double Attack & AM3, does anyone know enough maths to address that?

[Maxxthepenguin]

So, wait, your ascetic's fury did more on average than your asuran?

Very interesting results in general. I'm assuming you timed it so that you got your 300 TP ready when the aftermath wore, right?

[LD]

I think you would have noticed if you punched 5 times.
Try to find a COR & WAR next time to give the DA a better chance of firing.

'Single' Hits doing better than Asura on high eva mobs isn't new.
That high is somewhat impressive though.

[Cream Soda]

2 hours of parsing at Nyzool Ja camp, MNK/WAR: 1 hour with Glanzfaust, 1 hour with Destroyers.

Haste, Minuet/March (Madrigal/March for Lurkers), Marinara Pizza.

Counterstance full time.
Berserk as often as possible.
Focus/Dodge used right before engaging Lurker.

Glanzfaust
Total DMG in 1 hour: 212359
Melee DMG: 143010
Hit/Miss: 1635/123; M.Acc: 93.00 %

Ascetic's Fury-- Total DMG: 17154; 21 hits; Low:434/High:1443; Avg.: 816.86
Asuran Fists-- Total DMG: 38988; 52 hits; Low:188/High:995; Avg.: 749.77

Crit #:186; Crit%: 11.38 %

146 Counters for 12743 DMG.
Counter rate: 53.68%

# Melee Attacks: 1758; 651 rounds; 464 extra attacks (including kicks)
+0 (2 attacks): 261 rounds
+1 (3 attacks): 319 rounds
+2 (4 attacks): 69 rounds
+3 (5 attacks): 2 rounds
+4 (6 attacks): 0; a crime against humanity

Destroyers
Total DMG in 1 hour: 205006
Melee DMG: 123423
Hit/Miss: 1425/140; M.Acc: 91.05 %

Asuran Fists-- Total: 65537; 90 hits; Low:322/High:1065; Avg.: 728.19

Crit #:253; Crit%: 17.75 %

170 Counters for 15657 DMG.
Counter rate: 60.71%

# Melee Attacks: 1565; 625 rounds; 333 extra attacks (including kicks)
+0 (2 attacks): 348 rounds
+1 (3 attacks): 235 rounds
+2 (4 attacks): 34 rounds
+3 (5 attacks): 8 rounds
+4 (6 attacks): 0

Data error:
I lost TP one time while using Destroyers since my target ran out of range.
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Going by total damage alone (including counters), a MNK/WAR with Glanzfaust does 5.08% more damage than a MNK/WAR with Destroyers in a Mamool merit situation. Without counter damage, Glanzfaust does slightly more over Destroyers.

I think this also proves Focus does not add anything to crit%.

Nothing in this parse addresses the Dodge augmentation, since using TP at 100% with Destroyers turned hate to me more frequently and enabled me to counterattack.

As for Double Attack & AM3, does anyone know enough maths to address that?

Hmm could you be more specific by 1 hour of each? As in you parsed 1 hour total on each like a stop watch? Or 1 hour of actively engaged. Also, did you fight the same number of each type of mob, ect.

For example, you have 21 more attack rounds clocked in for the weapon with the higher delay.

[Almalexia]

So, wait, your ascetic's fury did more on average than your asuran?

Very interesting results in general. I'm assuming you timed it so that you got your 300 TP ready when the aftermath wore, right?

Not quite. I need some plugin to time my aftermath duration so I can get a feel for it.

There was one time in the entire hour I managed to gain 300TP right as AM3 wore. Almost every other attempt was ~80TP away from 300TP when AM3 wore. One time I was 240TP off, but it was okay because I had Subway for lunch.
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To clarify for Veg:

Two consecutive hours of typical merit situation with the same people at the same place (I'm sure you're familiar with the Nyzul Mamool camp above the Greater Colibri.) I started the parse when I engaged, went about meriting for 60 minutes, disengaged, swapped weapons and started a new parse when I re-engaged for the same amount of time. The timer ran even between battles, so running around the field counts.

118 mobs (15 wyverns, 2 raptors) with Glanzfaust, 113 mobs (13 wyverns, no raptors) with Destroyers. Both periods ended at a Mamool Ja Pikeman.

Accounting for this, I suppose Glanzfaust would technically do less damage than the parse numbers claim... ('AC

[Maxxthepenguin]

Not quite. I need some plugin to time my aftermath duration so I can get a feel for it.

There was one time in the entire hour I managed to gain 300TP right as AM3 wore. Almost every other attempt was ~80TP away from 300TP when AM3 wore. One time I was 240TP off, but it was okay because I had Subway for lunch.

So, from the sound of it, there is room for improvement in the Glanzfaust damage output and with proper practice and/or plugins, you may be able to optimize further.

How were you using Ascetic's Fury exactly? Only with 300 tp to refresh DA? Also, did you stack for Ascetic's Fury (tons of STR and VIT) or did you just use your normal WS setup?

I'm trying to figure out the margins to improve this as much as possible and find what this, optimally used, can do.

[Almalexia]

This is Ascetic setup. Earring is Hollow Earring.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g6...ts/Ascetic.png

I only used at 300TP for AM3.

[Gtype954]

Maybe you'll shut the fuck up now and go back to alla where you belong.


Back to lolmythic/relic mnks suck. Glad I never lost faith in my destroyer/faith/hades combination. Suckers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gtype954
Alot of QQ bullshit over something you swore up and down was going to be the best thing to happen to MNK since a Black Belt, then found out was like ...Vishnu's Cesti.

I didn't post that shit, you just put my name on There. Nice try, you shut the fuck up. Don't put words in my mouth dude.

[Neosutra]

Not too bad Alma, but why do you have higher acc rate with glanz? I guess 2-3% isnt really much, but with a 2-3% total damage increase from destroyers, I have to wonder if it wasnt attributed to just having better hit rate during that time.

Does seem to have a bit of potential to keep ya from quiting the game though, did you get to comfirm the focus/dodge effects?

[Gtype954]

Well from the looks of things, they did at least seem to outparse the destroyers even while using the mythic WS and without focus and dodge up.
I also like the platinum look with spikes on them.

congrats and you probably beat the game on mnk when it comes to h2h lol... unless you wanna go for shenlongs next >_>.

[Sanjiyan]

So... while ascetic's fury did average higher damage than destroyers, it was all done at 300TP which gave it it's max potential.

And while total damage says 5% more, there's also the difference of 5 mobs to subtract.

And... I'm no math guru but it seems like you got more +3 additional attacks (5 total attacks?) while using destroyers. Could it mean aftermath effect somehow comes first before DA? How much of the +2 additional attacks (4 total) of glanzfail is actually 3 punch + kick? I imagine more than destroyers since you can only punch 3 times when it procs.

All in all, thanks for testing. Fuck SE. Fuck them right up their ass.

[TummieGaruda]

So, wait, your ascetic's fury did more on average than your asuran?

Very interesting results in general. I'm assuming you timed it so that you got your 300 TP ready when the aftermath wore, right?

To be honest, I'm not surprised. Ascetics can produce some WTF numbers due to a Double Attack round and Crit on all hits of the WS (Screenshots were posted earlier in the thread).

The Minimum Asuran fists parsed could have easily been on a Mamool Ja where 2/8 hits landed due to Utsusemi or other factors (Acc can't be the issue due to the fact that you parsed high melee acc). The thing with Ascetics is, there is pretty much a "baseline" for dmg. Landing 1 or 2 hits with a non crit will be your minimum. Asuran has a higher chance of having a lower minimum because fist for fist, if you only land 1 out of 8 hits (lurkers, songs dropping, Utsusemi from Infiltrators etc) your minimum Asuran DMG will be much lower than your minimum Ascetics. Also, due to the craziness from spikes on Ascetics, you end up having a much larger DMG band vs Asuran Fists.

If possible, I would love to see the same parse but on Birds due to the fact that the mobs stats are more consistent due to G. Colibri being lv 81/82 which helps to rule out variations. As far as DA and AM3, what did you want to calculate?

Also one last thing to cover the bases and that is at some point to test the Mythic to see if it has a hidden buff to the WS. Should be easy to test via fighting a mob and waiting till it gets down to the last sliver of health and using the WS so that only the first hit lands. Doing a few of these you will be able to differentiate the Criticals from the Normals on the WS. Then switch over to Destroyers and run the same test on the same mob family.

[Raithen]

Not quite. I need some plugin to time my aftermath duration so I can get a feel for it.

There was one time in the entire hour I managed to gain 300TP right as AM3 wore. Almost every other attempt was ~80TP away from 300TP when AM3 wore. One time I was 240TP off, but it was okay because I had Subway for lunch.

Status Timer? Subway makes everything ok.

Also thank you for the data and belated congratulations on the mythic.

[Guitarman]

Just not enough of a gap to bother imo. Big congrats to you Alma, hope you enjoy every minute of them, but the results just don't justify the investment. Thank you for sharing with the community. Good to know this stuff.

[pchan]

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Glanzfaust

# Melee Attacks: 1758; 651 rounds; 464 extra attacks (including kicks)
+0 (2 attacks): 261 rounds
+1 (3 attacks): 319 rounds
+2 (4 attacks): 69 rounds
+3 (5 attacks): 2 rounds
+4 (6 attacks): 0; a crime against humanity

Destroyers

# Melee Attacks: 1565; 625 rounds; 333 extra attacks (including kicks)
+0 (2 attacks): 348 rounds
+1 (3 attacks): 235 rounds
+2 (4 attacks): 34 rounds
+3 (5 attacks): 8 rounds
+4 (6 attacks): 0

MNK/WAR, destroyers, Brutal, max KA merits :

100 rounds = 200 punch normally + 15 Kicks attacks + 20 DA (trait is 10%) + 10 DA (brutal is 5%)= +45 extra attacks so 45% of the #rounds. In your parse, you get 53%.

MNK/WAR, glanzfaust, Brutal, max KA merits :

100 rounds = 200 punch normally, +15 KA, +20DA, +10DA, +n from AM3
so 45+n has to be the 71% extra attck rate you parsed, which means n~26 -.-

So you only managed to get AM3 active like half of the time ? n should be 50% of the rounds.


The other thing I noticed, is that you get more rounds with glanzfaust than destroyers although there is a big 48 delay difference (so glanzfaust is ~14% slower, or say, destroyers act like adding 6% haste virtually and -2 dmg). Does glanzfaust has some kind of delay reduction, or is it just that you spent more time moving around with Destro?

[Burnsy]

I didn't post that shit, you just put my name on There. Nice try, you shut the fuck up. Don't put words in my mouth dude.

No, you didn't post that, you posted a wall of text backpedaling on every stance you've taken in this thread. Words like "these will blow Destroyers/Spharai away" especially paired with a shitton of crap you spew all over these boards, make you a perfect candidate to use something you learn about in middle school.

It's called paraphrasing.
paraphrase definition | Dictionary.com

When you know wtf you are talking about, speak again, till then, bai ^_^

Appie: Yup it's me, it was a long ass time ago, but iirc the guy was named Uaeking or something like that, Hume M, the beard model. He didn't speak english, but I did try to ask him if he had Shura Body.

Happydude: Wasting over a year of 20-30 people's time (dynamis linkshell) millions of gil, and my sanity in dealing with SE's shitty ass relic upgrade system for Spharai's increase, imho isn't worth it. Relics are "great" if you have to be the hands down, no arguement, "best" I like to just be "good". The quotes are where the semantic arguments usually kick in.

OT: I thought Alma was using Focus/Dodge during this test?

[Appie]

If possible, I would love to see the same parse but on Birds due to the fact that the mobs stats are more consistent due to G. Colibri being lv 81/82 which helps to rule out variations. As far as DA and AM3, what did you want to calculate?

Maybe I'm alone in this, but comparing weapons on birds is the most shitty thing you can do, especially consindering Glanzfaust's need for tp. It would turn into a battle of the dot in the end and not so much about dot+ws, which Glanz will most likely lose eventually if its tp gets eaten even if only on occasion.

And ah Aeqking you mean Burnsy, saw him rolanberry many times with his bazaar. I didn't expect he actually used that setup in pt, he does have togi iirc though.

And Destroyers got 5 less mobs, which could mean a loss of 5k damage, hanging on the very low side here since your average damage per mob was 1799 for Glanz and 1814 for Destroyers. I'm wondering how you killed 5 more, numbers don't point towards Glanz. Other factors in pt? With better fine tuned AM3 renewal (plugin like you said) it might turn around?

[Xanthe]

This is Ascetic setup. Earring is Hollow Earring.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g6...ts/Ascetic.png

I only used at 300TP for AM3.

How does your accuracy+ here compare to your TP setup? In the interest of stacking stats would it be worth using Denali Gamashes and Black Belt over Usukane Sune-ate and Life Belt? Or maybe keep the sune-ate and swap Hollow Earring for Triumph Earring so you can retain the attack and Store TP. Hachiryu Haidate over Usukane Hizayoroi? I'm speaking from the perspective of a DRG where accuracy is never really an issue so I might be suggesting blasphemy for MNKs, but those are some thoughts that come to mind for maximizing damage.

[Cream Soda]

acc+ there is much much lower than tp set up.
361.2 with this build and 384.6 assuming alma uses faith torque and rajas/hq acc ring for tp phase (and no cuch mantle). Little more if pcc and x2 hq acc rings.

And personally, for str waist slot, I'd do Warwolf > black belt due to the fact that its also a vit mod and also that the dex5 provides 2-3 acc.