Glanzfaust Preliminary Testing

[Thorny]

restarting on phoenix is too cliche, reraise and all ->
how're you doing btw?

[retice]

Hard to believe haven't heard anything on the delay of this weapon at +96, double what the destroyers are, and also higher than relic

[Thorny]

Hard to believe haven't heard anything on the delay of this weapon at +96, double what the destroyers are, and also higher than relic

Effective delay for MNK is 300 + what's on the weapon at 75. Going from 348 delay to 396 is only a 13.79% increase in delay, not double.. the other stats certainly make it better than anything but spharai(just not nearly worth it when spharai are easier to obtain).

[Cream Soda]

How about vs shenlongs?

[lolwut]

It's just a pet peeve of mine, everyone likes to think faiths/fort axe are junk because of the base damage when in reality they're the best weapons sans relic/mythic. I actually made a template for each stat comparison, doesn't really take very long to do the math out.

Would you happen to have a link to the math on Fort? Or care to repost?

[Thorny]

You can do it out the same way I did for fort, just need to change estimates in acc/att/fstr to represent war's stats in typical gear(or your gear/target for that matter). If nobody else has gotten to it I'll do shenlongs vs glanzfaust and fort vs perdu when I get a min tomorrow.

[Gtype954]

Double attack is only the aftermath from 300TP iirc who the fuck keep TP till 300TP

so Vegetto is right Spharai > Mythic

Everything in this game is situational and you should know this by now.
Also, During Sky gods, Popping sea gods, or zerging Bahamut, or even entering einherjar, doing KSNMs, Divine Might, Etc. You can store TP to 300 before starting. Nyzul Isle and Salvage you can also use Dusty Wings and Besieged to give you 300TP.

You are an idiot to think that Spharai can even come close to these on aftermath3. With Aftermath Lvl3 up these will completely KILL Spharai.
I'm have MNK to 75 and I know who Vegetto is and I am just as good as him so I know my mnk job class well. These DESTROY Spharai in situations where you can store TP before going to battle.

+9 DMG +118 Delay... You see how high that delay is on Faith hands? With haste on they give out what appears to be a constant hundred Fists speed. They got almost 3x the delay as destroyers and only 9 DMG and still out parse destroyers and dont have any crit hit bonus on them.

Glanzfaust delay is way shorter then +118 and has a 5% crit hit bonus and counter +10 which is detroyers and spaharai and faith hands rolled into 1 weapon.

SE said these weapons would be different and they would be powerful based on your TP. They never said anything about Relics being better.
They clearly said with TP these would rock, without it relic would be better.
That is true, Without Aftermath or the augment up, Destroyers might even be better, and Spahari completely beat them WHEN Aftermath and Augments aren't up.

+96 delay means these can attack with constant hundred fists speed with haste on AND they will do more WS DMG then the destroyers can. (which is what the faiths couldnt do.) Under any Zerg, these would be more Useful.


On salvage bosses, you could use Dusty wing to get 300TP but these Glanzfaust would feed them too much TP and thats bad. You also would not want to use these on Amiriki, or Sandworm Version of Serket cause TP issues.
You would want to use Final Heaven for subtle blow on those as well.
Why bring that up? Because EVERYTHING is SITUATIONAL!

90% Of my server doesn't even sea access and 90% of the MNKs are gimp as hell, only about 20 at most (out of thousands) even have Faith Hands, therefore they don't realize just how fast these damn jailer weapons attack.
They are Ridiculous.
For my Situations, Glanzaust > Spahari.
They attack faster then Faiths, They got the Crit Hit From Destroyers, and got the counter from Cross-Counters/Spahari. The Best 3 Weapons in the game all rolled into 1 while also giving out an attack bonus so that you can use lvl3 AM and not worry about lvl2. Only thing Glanzfaust is missing is some acc like the shenlongs lol but AM lvl 1 can fix that.
But if I was fighting THF/very high eva mob, I would even use shenlongs/hades +1 over any other weapon. Situtional.

EDIT: kinda off topic: The BLM weapon even might possibly beat HQ staves with AM2 on.
I think these weapons were meant to beat Dynamis weapons with the Aftermath on and not beat them with the aftermath off. Thats why Both Dyna and mythic weapons are both difficult to obtain, because they are both equally as powerful.

Burtgang was an exception. Even with lvl 3 aftermath, Excaliber would destroy it in DoT, but Burtgang makes up for that with its stats which make it the best Tanking sword in the game which makes both weapons once again... Situtional. Excaliber has hidden effect: Enmity though, lol,since it hits so damn hard.

[Flight_93]

You also would not want to use these on Amiriki

I hope to god this is wall-of-whoosh.

[Tadghostal]

I'm have MNK to 75 and I know who Vegetto is and I am just as good as him so I know my mnk job class well. These DESTROY Spharai in situations where you can store TP before going to battle.

+9 DMG +118 Delay... You see how high that delay is on Faith hands? With haste on they give out what appears to be a constant hundred Fists speed. They got almost 3x the delay as destroyers and only 9 DMG and still out parse destroyers and dont have any crit hit bonus on them.

Stopped reading your shitty post there.

[Ratatapa]

Everything in this game is situational and you should know this by now.
Also, During Sky gods, Popping sea gods, or zerging Bahamut, or even entering einherjar, doing KSNMs, Divine Might, Etc. You can store TP to 300 before starting. Nyzul Isle and Salvage you can also use Dusty Wings and Besieged to give you 300TP.

You are an idiot to think that Spharai can even come close to these on aftermath3. With Aftermath Lvl3 up these will completely KILL Spharai.
I'm have MNK to 75 and I know who Vegetto is and I am just as good as him so I know my mnk job class well. These DESTROY Spharai in situations where you can store TP before going to battle.

+9 DMG +118 Delay... You see how high that delay is on Faith hands? With haste on they give out what appears to be a constant hundred Fists speed. They got almost 3x the delay as destroyers and only 9 DMG and still out parse destroyers and dont have any crit hit bonus on them.

Glanzfaust delay is way shorter then +118 and has a 5% crit hit bonus and counter +10 which is detroyers and spaharai and faith hands rolled into 1 weapon.

SE said these weapons would be different and they would be powerful based on your TP. They never said anything about Relics being better.
They clearly said with TP these would rock, without it relic would be better.
That is true, Without Aftermath or the augment up, Destroyers might even be better, and Spahari completely beat them WHEN Aftermath and Augments aren't up.

+96 delay means these can attack with constant hundred fists speed with haste on AND they will do more WS DMG then the destroyers can. (which is what the faiths couldnt do.) Under any Zerg, these would be more Useful.


On salvage bosses, you could use Dusty wing to get 300TP but these Glanzfaust would feed them too much TP and thats bad. You also would not want to use these on Amiriki, or Sandworm Version of Serket cause TP issues.
You would want to use Final Heaven for subtle blow on those as well.
Why bring that up? Because EVERYTHING is SITUATIONAL!

90% Of my server doesn't even sea access and 90% of the MNKs are gimp as hell, only about 20 at most (out of thousands) even have Faith Hands, therefore they don't realize just how fast these damn jailer weapons attack.
They are Ridiculous.
For my Situations, Glanzaust > Spahari.
They attack faster then Faiths, They got the Crit Hit From Destroyers, and got the counter from Cross-Counters/Spahari. The Best 3 Weapons in the game all rolled into 1 while also giving out an attack bonus so that you can use lvl3 AM and not worry about lvl2. Only thing Glanzfaust is missing is some acc like the shenlongs lol but AM lvl 1 can fix that.
But if I was fighting THF/very high eva mob, I would even use shenlongs/hades +1 over any other weapon. Situtional.

EDIT: kinda off topic: The BLM weapon even might possibly beat HQ staves with AM2 on.
I think these weapons were meant to beat Dynamis weapons with the Aftermath on and not beat them with the aftermath off. Thats why Both Dyna and mythic weapons are both difficult to obtain, because they are both equally as powerful.

Burtgang was an exception. Even with lvl 3 aftermath, Excaliber would destroy it in DoT, but Burtgang makes up for that with its stats which make it the best Tanking sword in the game which makes both weapons once again... Situtional. Excaliber has hidden effect: Enmity though, lol,since it hits so damn hard.

enjoy your STR rings setup noob, If you need to work + then 2month to get an item or pay 30mill for an item that you will use 1/10 of the time, your an Idiot.

I will simply not comment anymore on that post simply because, it won't mather, because you won't understand shit. After seeing this your not a great mnk, maybe good but learn your job

[Gtype954]

enjoy your STR rings setup noob, If you need to work + then 2month to get an item or pay 30mill for an item that you will use 1/10 of the time, your an Idiot.

I will simply not comment anymore on that post simply because, it won't mather, because you won't understand shit. After seeing this your not a great mnk, maybe good but learn your job

First of all, Learn how to spell.
Second of all, Where did I say I use STR rings you retard.
Third of all, its not 30mil its 90-120mil. Which I agree is not worth it and alex should be 1k each.

And where did I say I would use it 1/10 of the time. I would use these in Einherjar, Bahamut V2, Kirin, Odin, Campaign Battle, Besieged, and Nyzul Bosses.

I would use Spahari in Salvage, Merit Party, Dynamis. (which I rarely do dynamis anymore.)
Other then the NMs I have written above, I would use neither Weapon on HNMs as I would use a staff or footwork with dune boots which at that point, my h2h doesn't matter to me much.

For both weapons I would use Divisor ring and T-ring, in Assault/Salvage areas I use Uthalams Ring instead of T-ring because it is the best ring in the game not including the Mar's ring which drops from AV. +6 attk +6 Acc Regen effect.

Good job noob, But dont ever call me a noob again. Learn how to spell, Cause I didn't understand anything you say except when you were talking about 2 STR rings. And I use 1 Flame Ring TYVM and 1 Rajas ring, and thats for to macro in for Weaponskills.

When your asuran fists can do more then 300 DMG and your dragon kick can do 2800, AND (when you learn how to spell), then come back on BG and talk to me.

The alexandrite requirement is stupid and the weapon is not worth it to get currently and the Sphari is cheaper and better to get currently until the price drops to 30mil on the mythics. (which I think it will one day), then those would be easier to obtain. Thats about the only thing I agree with you on.
And yes you did get me worked up, cause you called me a noob and mentioned STR rings.... Wtf?! Noone said anything about STR rings.
and to be an ass right back to you, I bet my rajas ring/Uthalams Setup will out parse you when you got 2 T-rings on.
I dont need STR rings over Acc rings. I can get 999 attack on /war with buffs on, without boosting.

[Gtype954]

Stopped reading your shitty post there.

Thats an error, And I knew someone would say something about that before I edited it. almost 3 times the +delay. Not the delay.

418 delay is not 3x the delay as 396 delay. Im not dumb, You know what I meant though and you were being smart about it. +48 Delay x3 = +144 delay would be 3x the +delay as +48. notice how I said ALMOST 3x the delay. As they are +118 and not +144
Either way I should have wrote 3x the +delay. Which is different from delay.
Simple error. Its corrected with this post. When Alma gets Glanzfaust, They are going to be parsed and you are going to be suprised. If I'm not mistaken, she will have both dynamis and mythic h2h, so we'll see all along that I was right. Aftermath lvl3 Glanzfaust > Spahari.

Everything is situational... Nothing in the game is the end all be all full-time equipment. Try to find anything that you can wear full-time and I will prove you wrong.
I agree though, that with just hard to obtain weapons, that these have no excuse being "situational". That goes for both Dynamis and Mythic weapons. They should be the best weapons.

WHM BLM MNK BRD RDM COR to name a few... even with their mythic and relic, they have other weapons they use with situation.

[Tankjr]

Thats an error, And I knew someone would say something about that before I edited it. almost 3 times the +delay. Not the delay.

418 delay is not 3x the delay as 396 delay. Im not dumb, You know what I meant though and you were being smart about it. +48 Delay x3 = +144 delay would be 3x the +delay as +48. notice how I said ALMOST 3x the delay. As they are +118 and not +144
Either way I should have wrote 3x the +delay. Which is different from delay.
Simple error. Its corrected with this post. When Alma gets Glanzfaust, They are going to be parsed and you are going to be suprised. If I'm not mistaken, she will have both dynamis and mythic h2h, so we'll see all along that I was right. Aftermath lvl3 Glanzfaust > Spahari.

Everything is situational... Nothing in the game is the end all be all full-time equipment. Try to find anything that you can wear full-time and I will prove you wrong.
I agree though, that with just hard to obtain weapons, that these have no excuse being "situational". That goes for both Dynamis and Mythic weapons. They should be the best weapons.

WHM BLM MNK BRD RDM COR to name a few... even with their mythic and relic, they have other weapons they use with situation.

I see you're from Seraph. Hey I'm from Seraph too. Quick note: No one here knows who the fuck you are or where you get your data from. I've read a number of your posts and they all seem to be baseless drivel. Please do everyone a favor and stop regurgitation bullshit that you read on alla all over BG.

[Titanss]

Please do everyone a favor and stop regurgitation bullshit that you read on alla all over BG.

I was wondering where he is getting all this information from.

[Isawa]

Good job noob, But dont ever call me a noob again. Learn how to spell

While Rata may come off as a asshole and I'm fairly certain he knows this, he does have a clue what he's talking about. I also took out most of your post because I don't give two shits about it other than your belligerent usage of "LRN2SPEUL". Don't has a apostrophe in it asshole, come back when you

Learn how to spell.

[Uzor]

People still expect these to be better then relic weapons?

The only weapons you'll see be better then Dynamis relics are the mage ones. And Burtgang in a tanking situation.mI'm not even sure why you compare them to relics when SE has said more then once they didn't intend for them to be better then relic weapons.

[Kairos]

I'm not even sure why you compare them to relics when SE has said more then once they didn't intend for them to be better then relic weapons.

Unfortunately they hit a brick wall when they came face to face with the impossible task of making a mythic staff worse than claustrum.

[Gtype954]

Anyways... MNK has 300 delay with capped gear haste and Martial arts if I wasn't mistaken. So Destroyers would give it 348 delay. while Faith would give it 418 delay, while Glanzfaust would have 396 delay.

Where did you get that my math was made up? Unless I am wrong about the 300 delay thing. I only read the delay crap off wiki not alla actually. I dont even post on alla or go to those forums.

If you argue about the MNK job with me, you are almost always going to lose everytime.

Glanzfaust will outparse Spahari with lvl3 aftermath on in DoT. That is so obvious, I don't even know why you try to argue... Glanzfaust will pound it in DoT while the aftermath is active.

You don't compare glanzfaust and Spahari with each other, because you don't compare Algol to K-club.

Do DRKs use K-club everywhere? NO.
Why do DRKS with K-club use Algol when they have a K-club?
Because they are used for 2 different purposes depending on what you do.
Comparing Spahari to glanzfaust is like comparing K-club to Algol. Neither is better then the other, I like algol and K-club.

And there you go knocking the Mythic blm weapon again.....
Noone has done any tests yet on that weapon to be knocking it. Some people say the lvl2 Aftermath might suprass an HQ staff. You are quick to knock something without any parse data.
Does the weapon suck ass still? YES.
Is it worth the effort and gil for blm mythic? NO.
Do black Mages Weaponskill occasionally? NO, its extremely Rare, I dont even see them WS in Beseiged even when they got Dusty Wings lol.

But for the love of god, Stop knocking something before parsing it.

Glanzfaust do more DoT then Spahari under the effects of Aftermath3.
This is not an opinion it is a FACT.
Stop arguing about mnk with me, cause you will lose everytime.

And in before the smart ass comment... fighting the SAME mob. ^
Not fighting a Pudding with glanzfaust and a Skeleton with spahari.

[chazzyphizzle]

Sorry, K-club is better than Algol. Not sure what you are talking about.

[Nattack]

oh snap, did we start a math fight?

also last i checked algol wasnt even that great... compared to how easy it is to get alternatives like Subduer and Nagelring...