Chocobo Circuit Findings

[nitsuj]

I'm wondering if anyone has found any algorithmic results from the Chocobo Circuit.

I.E. A race combination is paying 50,000 gil per Quill.

I buy X amount of Quills to maximize the amount of profit per quill (assuming no one else bets).

There isn't a lot of information on the Chocobo Circuit anyplace that I can find. Thistle got a title for 50 C1 wins, but I can't even find information posted on that!

If this thread isn't "advanced enough" it's fine to move it, but I'd like some of you experts to post your findings on the circuit on how to maximize your wins, any hidden prizes/titles/tricks. It's suck a small minority of players that even attempt it, so info seems scarce.

Thanks!

Edit: Spreadsheet I've used for a lot of Chocobo Racing data, in case anyone else hasn't seen it:

Google Docs Chocobo Spreadsheet - Author currently unknown.

Titles:

Chocorookie - beating Standard races (mission style)
Chocochampion - beating Swamptrot "Dream Race" (mission style)
Winning Owner - 10 first place wins.
Victorious Owner - 25 first place wins.
Triumphant Owner - 50 first place wins.

[Thistle]

There was someone who "cracked the code", so to speak. The races are not random (or weren't?). He made a lot of money... before he was banned.

There aren't any hidden things that I know of, other than if you mean the titles you get for X number of first place wins.

(I haven't raced in a while, once I got the final title I stopped and haven't raced since. I haven't missed it even once.)

It's suck a small minority of players that even attempt it, so info seems scarce.

I wouldn't call that sucky, I'd call that most people being smart. I wish that I hadn't wasted millions of gil and a couple hundred RL hours racing for chocobucks to raise my bird. What do I have now? A couple trophies in my MH (...yay...) and yet another costume item that I never use. (I've only been a chick 4? 5? times, grand total.)

[Guppy]

There was someone who "cracked the code", so to speak. The races are not random (or weren't?). He made a lot of money... before he was banned.

I seemed to have missed that bit, you have any further information on this? SE seems to be pretty ban-happy these days.

(I've only been a chick 4? 5? times, grand total.)

But have you considered the entertainment value to all of us who've been giggling at the concept of you being a "chick"?

[urat]

It's technicly impossible to predict most races since there are too many random variables to take in.

Mostly races involve 3-4 high tier birds, 2 of which win, the others just are their to fuck it up. What generally makes or breaks a race is one of the birds dodging a cracker or bomb, which is random

I've spent a good 20 hours or so just recording results of races in a spreadsheet to find out if their were any steady winners, and there weren't

It's purely random, I'd find A bird gets owned by bird B, who gets raped by bird C, who gets creamed by bird A

[Ezell]

I knew the guy who figured it out. He put all the variables into a spread sheet and it gave % on who will win. SE found out he was winning, since 60mil had left the stables to one charecter, suspended the account and changed the game to add in one random variable. He was unable to reproduce the success rate again.

This was over a year ago, and he was also LM-17'd recently so i've no way to get details for you. But yes his mule was suspened and banned by SE. He even sent them the spread sheet to prove he wasn't glitching the game and they still bant his ass.

[urat]

Yar, I made a simple program with VB basic that let me calculate the basic chance of success for the birds of a race, and it ends up being a tie between 4 of em and is just random.

Though a friend and I who both have birds that can successfully beat the odds 9/10 of the time both race together and bet a few hundred K on our own birds.

[Thistle]

But have you considered the entertainment value to all of us who've been giggling at the concept of you being a "chick"?

.... Oh god, I totally missed my wording of that!

And see posts above this one for details on that guy!

[nitsuj]

There aren't any hidden things that I know of, other than if you mean the titles you get for X number of first place wins.

What are the titles, so they're posted in one place?

I wouldn't call that sucky, I'd call that most people being smart. I wish that I hadn't wasted millions of gil and a couple hundred RL hours racing for chocobucks to raise my bird. What do I have now? A couple trophies in my MH (...yay...) and yet another costume item that I never use. (I've only been a chick 4? 5? times, grand total.)

I love having that item. I wear it all the time in town, and if I bazaar overnight I always use the item before I go to sleep

Though a friend and I who both have birds that can successfully beat the odds 9/10 of the time both race together and bet a few hundred K on our own birds.

I was wondering about this. What if I made a 8/6/6/6/G/C on my mule with my 8/7/4/4/G/C main.

What's to prevent me from racing them both every day (in C4 races i'm normally the only PC bird on the list) and "stacking the odds"?

I figure with racing there seems to be incentive for A LOT of profit if you play your cards right.

[Thistle]

What are the titles, so they're posted in one place?

You can find them here: Titles - FFXIclopedia - a Wikia Gaming wiki

Winning Owner (10 first place wins), Victorious Owner (25), Triumphant Owner (50).

Someone told me you can buy them back in Jeuno, though I haven't confirmed that myself.

[nitsuj]

You can find them here: Titles - FFXIclopedia - a Wikia Gaming wiki

Winning Owner (10 first place wins), Victorious Owner (25), Triumphant Owner (50).

Someone told me you can buy them back in Jeuno, though I haven't confirmed that myself.

I assume those are C1 wins. I added it to my original post, as the link doesn't say how exactly to obtain them.

Does anyone have any information on the "# of quills vs reward" algorithm?

It seems if I'm really sure my Chocobo and another are going to place 1st and 2nd, and I bet semi-heavily on them, the "10k per quill" that they tell me I'm going to win *instantly* drops to 160 per quill (or 60 gil profit) which is mega frustrating since I'm 99% sure I'm the only person betting (/sea "Chocobo Circuit" returns 1 result).

Maybe there's a way to maximize your profit without seeing the quills drop too much?

Also, just so it's on the record, I really think SE should promise the quill value you are told by the NPC when you place a bet. That way you're rewarded for betting early, and examining the stats and picking your winners as opposed to waiting to see what "other players" do before picking the one that everyone else thinks is a winner.

[Clave]

You can find them here: Titles - FFXIclopedia - a Wikia Gaming wiki

Winning Owner (10 first place wins), Victorious Owner (25), Triumphant Owner (50).

Someone told me you can buy them back in Jeuno, though I haven't confirmed that myself.

Correct. You can buy them in jeuno from the bard in the tavern next to LJ AH (where the quest to unlock BRD is).

Also, as far as chocobetting is concerned, the reward goes down the more quills are bought.

[Not Kuno]

After reading this thread I've concluded SE only wants players to lose money gambling and not actually win anything. Awesome.

[toonces]

And if you do get a profit, you get banned for being smart and doing the numbers.

[lilfoo]

I did this a long time ago. we would get 6 (i forgot max number of PC birds) and stack the races. 2 people with near perfect birds with the others having all lvl 1 stats w/ no items. We then bet a lot on the 2 we knew would win hands down and we usually got ~100-50 gil a quill. but that adds up when you do a TON of quills and it is near impossible to loose. turning 1 mil into 2 mil with 0 work was pure awesome (divided among us all)

[aznmajiktaru]

I did this a long time ago. we would get 6 (i forgot max number of PC birds) and stack the races. 2 people with near perfect birds with the others having all lvl 1 stats w/ no items. We then bet a lot on the 2 we knew would win hands down and we usually got ~100-50 gil a quill. but that adds up when you do a TON of quills and it is near impossible to loose. turning 1 mil into 2 mil with 0 work was pure awesome (divided among us all)

This isn't true anymore and chocobetting is probably the most retarded thing you could waste your money on. It used to be that you could pick w/e bird combo and the payout would not be affected. Thanks to the guy who made 60m from circuit they've since changed it so that whenever anyone bets on a combo your pay out for it is substantially lowered. The "best" amount to buy is around 5-10k worth, anything more than that and you won't even make gil. 5-10k would net you about a 5-8k profit iirc?

You want to make money using chocobo? then you better have a lot of gil and free time. It takes roughly 4-5 mins for the stupid racing cutscene to farm chocobucks and even if you decide to use speed apple, more often than not you'll lose to the cheating birds even when you have nearly identical stats.

The chocobucks pattern goes as follow: 5 5 1 3 3 3 repeat. So say 5 mins each, that's 30 mins for 20 chocobucks and that's only if you NEVER leave your computer since the cutscene requires you to click a few times before and after it races to get out of it. It also costs 1,000 gil every race (fuck the 100-1000 by 50 gil increments up till 1000). I believe each upgrade to one stat costs about 6-8 upgrades? and of course lowers your highest stat as well. Each upgrade costs 80 chocobucks for a current chocobo so that's 2 hours of nonstop racing for 1 upgrade at the cost of 24,000 X 6-8 times to go up one rank (12-16 hours for one upgrade).

This doesn't factor in the time you need to tweak your bird to beat other birds or find out which stats work well and to gear it towards racing. So if you haven't been doing racing to begin with, I suggest you not pick this up unless you have got all the time in the world and the patience to see it out, otherwise it'll just be wasted gil when you quit half way.

[nitsuj]

I did this a long time ago. we would get 6 (i forgot max number of PC birds) and stack the races. 2 people with near perfect birds with the others having all lvl 1 stats w/ no items. We then bet a lot on the 2 we knew would win hands down and we usually got ~100-50 gil a quill. but that adds up when you do a TON of quills and it is near impossible to loose. turning 1 mil into 2 mil with 0 work was pure awesome (divided among us all)

I bet on my bird and whichever has good racing stats like 8/8/3/3 or 7/6/7/6 or something that seems to be the best and win almost every time.

Usually I bet 10k worth of quills, telling me I'll win about 1000 gil per, and after I buy my quills it immediately drops to betwen 150 and 200.

So cost: 100
Payout: 160 (last night)

Only 60 gil per quill... I could bet an insanely large number and hope the quill value makes it worth it. Even if it's only 10% profit, on a million dollar bet it'd be 100k (but I don't think you bet that high).

/sigh. There has to be a way to maximize the profit. How many quills can you buy? 1000?

[Kupo-lox]

999 quill is the most you can *buy* so the most you can bet is 99,900.

[Thistle]

I assume those are C1 wins. I added it to my original post, as the link doesn't say how exactly to obtain them.

Nope. I got most of my first places through C4 races (since they're easier). Any first place in C4-C1 counts.

[Aristio]

/sigh. There has to be a way to maximize the profit. How many quills can you buy? 1000?

Per ticket. You can buy unlimited amount, but only 1k per ticket. I tried chocobo betting myself and saw a loss over time. I would win if I was very lucky, but profits were minimal. I would sit there at the board and figure out the birds' chance of winning. It took me a while, but I figured out how to use the tote. Just anyone who is confused, I'll explain.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ff...2007%29-10.jpg

Let's say you bet 1 and 5 to win, based on the chart above, your bet would come out to 3975 gil per quil. Since other "players" are bidding, your bet would go down or up, based on how many NPCs bid on it. As you can see, 1-2 is the crowd favorite and will most likely be the winner. This is not always true, but in my opinion your best bet to see anything out of the race. One thing I found true though, it's almost never SS/SS/F/F who win, it's usualy A/B/A/S birds. These birds almost never get effected by enemy attacks, so I believe that RSC and DES to be a big factor in deciding the winner of a race.

Just my 2 cents.

[nitsuj]

Per ticket. You can buy unlimited amount, but only 1k per ticket. I tried chocobo betting myself and saw a loss over time. I would win if I was very lucky, but profits were minimal. I would sit there at the board and figure out the birds' chance of winning. It took me a while, but I figured out how to use the tote. Just anyone who is confused, I'll explain.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ff...2007%29-10.jpg

Let's say you bet 1 and 5 to win, based on the chart above, your bet would come out to 3975 gil per quil. Since other "players" are bidding, your bet would go down or up, based on how many NPCs bid on it. As you can see, 1-2 is the crowd favorite and will most likely be the winner. This is not always true, but in my opinion your best bet to see anything out of the race. One thing I found true though, it's almost never SS/SS/F/F who win, it's usualy A/B/A/S birds. These birds almost never get effected by enemy attacks, so I believe that RSC and DES to be a big factor in deciding the winner of a race.

Just my 2 cents.

I noticed there is a lack of explanation on how the toteboard works anywhere online, so thanks for posting this for people who don't have 45 hours to figure it out.

And I agree 100%. In my C4 races so far, My SS/S/C/C Gallop Canter bird wins 1st every time, but the 2nd place is usually a well rounded bird, maybe A/S/A/S or something similar.