Dumb Fafnir Question.

[S N K]

I have two really good friends banging heads over this so I just said fuck it and decided to ask people here who know better then me.

Does Fafnir build a resistance to sleep over time?

Yes or No?

[Guyverarmor]

From what I have seen SNK it does, or atleast when I used to do HNM with my shell...this was long ago...Now I just play for the heck of it...

But back on topic, I do remember after maybe 3-4 mages doing sleep turns, we had to start doing ES sleep cause it would resist regular sleep, even sleep II. So if the resistance is there, an ES should take care of it >.>

[Zanketsu]

Sleep won't last long (not full duration) but you'll still be able to land it from personal experience

[Kurt Cobain]

if you spam the shit out of it, ergo a rdm/nin firing up its hate turbines, even an ES sleep will only last a few seconds at the longest, but even a shitty-mediocre ls can kill fafnir without building resist, also; ES'd sleeps don't increase the resistance, which is what enables piece of shit linkshells to kill tiamat, es sleep ahoy ;(

[hagun]

From what I've seen, it takes a retardedly high number of sleeps before any resistance starts to build up if any. This was back in the day when Fafnid would actually be slept seven or more times. Nowadays though sleeping Fafnid should be nonexistent since it should die in 10-20 minutes top.

[Neosutra]

/sigh memories. This thread reminds me of the old days of pld/war with an aerial armor rotation.

[Guyverarmor]

/sigh memories. This thread reminds me of the old days of pld/war with an aerial armor rotation.

and SC MB amirite?

And when I meant sleep turns...maybe 3 in rotation so after 9 sleeps or so >_>

[S N K]

/sigh memories. This thread reminds me of the old days of pld/war with an aerial armor rotation.

People actually did that? <_<

Edit: Then again I recall Fairy had this fucked up reasoning that everyone of the DDs were supposed to sub /whm for their own Stoneskin. <_>

Either way, Thank you for clearing this up. Sometimes in an arguement it's always best to ask the masses.

[Raineer]

The answer is yes.

Once upon a time (nearly 3 years ago), at a 7am fafnir.... We had 7 BLM's, 2 RDM's, and a WHM. And that was all. Our BLM's were pimped beyond belief and we had enough Elemental Seals to sleep it forever (so we thought).

The real answer was after 9 sleeps, ES would not even land, at all.

[ninjafox]

People actually did that? <_<

Edit: Then again I recall Fairy had this fucked up reasoning that everyone of the DDs were supposed to sub /whm for their own Stoneskin. <_>

Either way, Thank you for clearing this up. Sometimes in an arguement it's always best to ask the masses.

This was normal back in the day. All melee had to sub whm to faf for stoneskin, whms would sub smn for aerial armor and thf was in the tank pt to TA tanks or have a drg in tank pt for ancient circle lol

[Meian]

We did a really low man Fafnir a few times and it did resist sleep from our BLM / RDM but, by total luck, the DRK was able to sleep it... good times.

[Devek]

What are you talking about? Back in the day we didn't let anyone melee fafnir. Without sushi in the game yet or combat merits, it is kind of hard to do much to a level 90 mob.

Our ls was made up of like 75% rangers, because ranged attacks didn't account for the mobs level... just stats. You could sidewinder Fafnir almost as hard as as you can currently hit a rarab outside of Windurst...

[Killkenny]

From personal experience it takes way more than 9-10 sleeps before you start seeing a drastic reduction in duration. Only way you'll ever get a mob to the point where sleep lasts 2-3 seconds is with a nin/drk or rdm/nin spamming sleep in hate cycle. After one of the many epic maint fafs an ls claimed, slept it repeatedly until rage (not constantly but sleep was on for atleast 25 of the 60+mins they held it and it was lasting around 50-60seconds before it raged.

As for fafnir I don't know if its just because the rdm was crappy but after a maint we held faf with nin whm rdm for about 10mins while everyone else logged in/ran there and the rdm couldn't land sleep at all (he was /whm) in 5 or 6 casts, after which we just stopped trying to sleep it as its easy enough to hold. He has Af2 head and all the normal enfeebling gear so I don't know if he just failed or whether faf is harder to land sleep on without ES compared to mobs like tia.

[hagun]

What are you talking about? Back in the day we didn't let anyone melee fafnir. Without sushi in the game yet or combat merits, it is kind of hard to do much to a level 90 mob.

Our ls was made up of like 75% rangers, because ranged attacks didn't account for the mobs level... just stats. You could sidewinder Fafnir almost as hard as as you can currently hit a rarab outside of Windurst...

You evil doer, how dare you remind me of how glorious my RNG used to be I hope a beautiful woman rapes you today.

[Airenn]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But didn't SE specifically say they were making mobs BUILD RESISTANCE OVER TIME to all spells, enfeebling and elemental?

Meaning... All Mobs? All of them. All.

[Zilong]

NM onry

Otherwise ZNMing would be that much more bullshit...

It'd be like orobon day, every fucken day.

[Raineer]

faf is harder to land sleep on without ES compared to mobs like tia.

Amusing fact, through 3 years of kills in Aery, I found Faf to be much harder to enfeeble (incl sleep) than Nidhogg.

Faf is much more resistant to sleep than a normal mob, certainly doesn't require ES but it's a 50/50 shot. I think back then I had all gear minus Nashira pants and it still wouldn't land all the time without ES.

However maybe is depends on how much time it spends asleep (would be unlike any other mob, I agree), but my story above is true. After 9 full Sleep 2's, ES resisted for 5 mages in a row and we escaped.

[Not Kuno]

BG used to do AA rotations, the whms needed smn sub for it. Its sleep resistance just makes the duration shorter, but it is still hard to sleep as a blm. I remember holding Faf for about 50-60 minutes alternating E.Seal for it a because that was the only way to guarentee it.

[sleekmotorwurkz]

Amusing fact, through 3 years of kills in Aery, I found Faf to be much harder to enfeeble (incl sleep) than Nidhogg.

Faf is much more resistant to sleep than a normal mob, certainly doesn't require ES but it's a 50/50 shot. I think back then I had all gear minus Nashira pants and it still wouldn't land all the time without ES.

Ill agree with that, as far as sleeps go, I never really paid attention to other enfeebles since I was a dd onry.

[Drunknmunky]

Question: Since all the white mages was giving the ability to learn repose, can a white mage be able to assist a black mage, and a red mage with holding any HNM.

Example: DS>Repose>ES>Sleep2 then Repose>Sleep2?

I’ am just curios if this is possible,that is all.

SNK:
I hope you do not mind me asking this question under your thread.