Pahluwhan Body critical increase

[Lahina]

So, before I get to the meat, gonna tease you a bit with the experimental conditions.

Job: Mnk/Nin, 75.
Character Dex: 79
Target Dex: Unknown
Relevant Merits: HtH 8/8, Crit up 4%
Target: Fortification #3, in Garlaige Citadel [S].

Buffs: Sigil, with Regen effect. No others, including boost/focus
Food: none
Weaponskills ranged from 100-125% TP, but are being disregarded for the purpose of this part of the survey. (My sample size is still far too small for any definitive result).

Gearset 1: Scorpion Harness +1 (Control parse)

Main: Wagh Baghs Ammo: Smart Grenade
Head: Waha Neck: PCC Ear1: Merman's Ear2: Brutal
Body: SH +1 Hands: Melee Ring1: Woody Ring2: Woody
Back: Ame +1 Waist: Brown Legs: Melee Feet: Fumas

Acc: 331
Att: 391

Totals: 1503 swings, 1421 hits, 285 crits.
Crit%: 20.056%
Acc% 95.187%



Gearset 2, Pahluwan Khazagand (experimental parse)

Main: Wagh Baghs Ammo: Tiphia Sting
Head: Waha Neck: PCC Ear1: Merman's Ear2: Brutal
Body: Pahluwan Hands: Melee Ring1: Woody Ring2: Woody
Back: Ame +1 Waist: Brown Legs: Melee Feet: Fumas

Acc: 331
Att: 389

(3 parses, 200, 660, and 715 swings)
Totals: 1575 swings, 1497 hits, 337 crits
Crit% 22.512%
Acc% 95.048%

Conclusions: The margin of error on this sample is still fairly wide, but the critical increase is somewhere from 2 to 3 percent, which is a wee bit better than the previously assumed 1% bump.


TL,DR: The Pahluwan Khazagand gives a roughly 2.5% critical hit bonus, give or take about half a percent - not 1% as previously reported.

[Xanthu]

Certainly not discounting you, while I personally don't benefit I know it's appreciated by many.

That all being said, I have to point out that Homam body was just figured to be 1% instead of 2.5% that's been thought for so long.

To humor me though, who has tested the p.body before, did we all go off one test just like Homam?

[Maxxthepenguin]

The rumors I've heard is that it's not an actual crit hit % increase but more of an invisible DEX increase that only affects DEX's application on crits.

[Lahina]

Certainly not discounting you, while I personally don't benefit I know it's appreciated by many.

That all being said, I have to point out that Homam body was just figured to be 1% instead of 2.5% that's been thought for so long.

To humor me though, who has tested the p.body before, did we all go off one test just like Homam?

I was curious about the latent, and thus far all I've ever found is a random reference to "some guy said it was 1%, who totally ran a test, this one time, on some server. Maybe he was JP." It came up in the Elmer Signal "what's the latent?" thread, and the lack of even rmotely repeatable or backed testing has been bugging me ever since.

The rumors I've heard is that it's not an actual crit hit % increase but more of an invisible DEX increase that only affects DEX's application on crits.

Oh whee. Time to boost the sample size again - I should be able to work out the +Dex modifier, if there is one, and design more experiments...

[miokomioko]

I have some interest in this thread... until Citadel Chelonion drops my 35. Then I'll never look at that hideous shirt again. 1% or 3%

[Soa]

I remember way back when it was first released I saw some parses that suggested it was about a 1.5-2% increase, but I also know some people swore up and down that there was no increase at all. I used it for a long time on my Monk till I got Shura, but I never parsed it so I can't say for sure.

[miokomioko]

I keep getting boned out of D.Body Abj. so I still have wear this damn thing. Still want to slap people who think it doesn't affect crit rate.

[pchan]

Conclusions: The margin of error on this sample is still fairly wide, but the critical increase is somewhere from 2 to 3 percent, which is a wee bit better than the previously assumed 1% bump.


TL,DR: The Pahluwan Khazagand gives a roughly 2.5% critical hit bonus, give or take about half a percent - not 1% as previously reported.

The margin of error with 95% probability is 1.64*s/sqrt( sample size) and s is the standard deviation s=sqrt(r*(1-r)) where r is the rate of crit. In you case :

Margin of error w/o P body =20.05 +/- 1.74% => 18.31-21.79
Margin of error w P body =22.51 +/- 1.77% => 20.74-24.28

Can't conclude anything.

[Hanyoko]

I once tried to setup a series of tests (my mistake was trying to do it with 2 thiefs but gear differences skewed my data). I can give out this tidbit of info though.

These items have "Increases Rate of Critical Hits" effects

• Assassin's Vest / Assassin's Vest +1
• Ifrit's Bow
• Pahluwan Khazagand
• Ragnarok
• Sipahi Jawshan / Abtal Jawshan
• Skadi Armor set
• Trollbane
• Zeta Sash

Lesser Colibri have an agility of 52-55; therefore you will reach the crit cap on them at 102-105 (105 to be sure) dexterity.
That +50 dex over target agility was obtained from one of the huge math threads.

I may revive my tests again after Peryton finally makes his grand appearance in Bhaflau

[Neosutra]

Do not under any circumstances purchase/use P.body.

Ever.

SH+1, Shura, Osode, Usukane, Hauby, Enkidu, Antaree.. Anything else is better.

[Pendulum]

lol didn't someone post testing on alla that gave results (doubt they were very scientific/relevant) of it decreasing crit rate?

[Wulfgang]

Do not under any circumstances purchase/use P.body.

~4th best Kraken RNG TP body and certainly more cost-effective than Avalon Breastplate (didn't even know RNG could equip this), Skadie's Cuirie, and Haramaki (not happening).

[requim]

If there were constantly varying results it could be an invisible dex check or it could modification the formula used for critical hit rate.

Is the tiered 50dex-agi still being tested or was that already refuted? I'm not up to date on it. Regardless, I think that crits have at least been proven to be on some sort of tier system. If we really wanted critical hit data we could test pbody with varying dex on bird camp (because we know their agi, and can get at least 50 more dex on them).

Perhaps it gives you +5 (or some other constant) on a dex-check (or -agi on the mob), so if dex-agi=0 it could give +1%, if borderline next tier (dex-agi=5) it could give +2%, if already +45dex (or whatever the actual amount needed minus pbody constant) it could cap crit rate with the body giving 5%+.

If it turns out the increases critical hit rate is only an adjustment to the formula you would need to have at least matching dex to see any effect, so at least for nin dropping 5 dex from haub, could indeed give you negative results.

I guess if someone with capped dex/crits could crit routinely above 24%, we could determine whether or not this would change the previous formula or just be an independent bonus. I have some doubts on it just upping a dex check unless it increased the maximum crit rate along with it (eg new max dex check 55 ~ +5% more crit, new max 29%).

[miokomioko]

Do not under any circumstances purchase/use P.body.

Ever.

SH+1, Shura, Osode, Usukane, Hauby, Enkidu, Antaree.. Anything else is better.

Try naming something that is anywhere near as easy (cheap) to obtain than 20,000 AP and has some job versatility at the same time.

It works just fine for my 3 melee jobs until I get finally Usukane + Etoile Casaque. Then I'll never look at it again.

Shura won't drop, Osode sold to fund Usukane which won't drop, Hauby can't wear, Enkidu won't drop, Antares is overpriced, SH+1... is too similar to spend the money/inventory on MNK evasion, meh.

My MNK is getting boned by all droprates, my DNC is getting boned by Tav/Xarc droprates, and my PUP really has no choice. It's really not a bad body piece. I know there's better options out there, especially for MNK, but for the less fortunate/non-endgame kids out there, this piece is just fine.

[orson]

As it was said before the margin for error is there. Do 1500 hits in a build and then stop your parser and restart doing another 1500 hits under the same conditions you'll probably have a difference of more than 1%. Crit isn't an easy stat measure exactly.

[Neosutra]

Try naming something that is anywhere near as easy (cheap) to obtain than 20,000 AP and has some job versatility at the same time.

It works just fine for my 3 melee jobs until I get finally Usukane + Etoile Casaque. Then I'll never look at it again.

Shura won't drop, Osode sold to fund Usukane which won't drop, Hauby can't wear, Enkidu won't drop, Antares is overpriced, SH+1... is too similar to spend the money/inventory on MNK evasion, meh.

My MNK is getting boned by all droprates, my DNC is getting boned by Tav/Xarc droprates, and my PUP really has no choice. It's really not a bad body piece. I know there's better options out there, especially for MNK, but for the less fortunate/non-endgame kids out there, this piece is just fine.

SH+1 or Osode until you get your shura. And dont sell that Osode until your usu actually drops, you still need it for howling/DK.

You probably dont deserve an usukane body if you are wearing P.body anyways Q.Q. And dont talk to me about getting boned on Usukane body drop rates.

[Cream Soda]

I don't have an osode. Does that mean I shouldn't get usu body either?

[miokomioko]

SH+1 or Osode until you get your shura. And dont sell that Osode until your usu actually drops, you still need it for howling/DK.

You probably dont deserve an usukane body if you are wearing P.body anyways Q.Q. And dont talk to me about getting boned on Usukane body drop rates.

I'm not looking for your personal recommendation, nor am I looking for advice about when to buy my ingots. I have my reasons that I'd rather have 1 decent body piece for my 3 melee jobs over the 5 or so and millions of gil it would take to gear them slightly better while I wait for my rare/ex shit to drop. First in line for D.Body Abj and 35 Usukane body and 2nd or so on Etoile Casaque is reason enough to just hang on to ugly Paluwahn instead of putting money into 12 evasion and less defense. Don't act like Pln. Body is complete trash and has no use for any of the jobs listed on it or that there couldn't be a situation where someone might opt for the free rare/ex body that is "ok" for the time being.

Hell, if there's even a 1% increase in critical hit rate, I find that better than SH+1 when the rest of my gear caps haste and usually accuracy on what I fight.

[Riel]

Hurray for people who actually understand statistics doing testing ... and thank you pchan

[Neosutra]

I'm not looking for your personal recommendation, nor am I looking for advice about when to buy my ingots. I have my reasons that I'd rather have 1 decent body piece for my 3 melee jobs over the 5 or so and millions of gil it would take to gear them slightly better while I wait for my rare/ex shit to drop. First in line for D.Body Abj and 35 Usukane body and 2nd or so on Etoile Casaque is reason enough to just hang on to ugly Paluwahn instead of putting money into 12 evasion and less defense. Don't act like Pln. Body is complete trash and has no use for any of the jobs listed on it or that there couldn't be a situation where someone might opt for the free rare/ex body that is "ok" for the time being.

Hell, if there's even a 1% increase in critical hit rate, I find that better than SH+1 when the rest of my gear caps haste and usually accuracy on what I fight.

Glad to see you didnt want advice when you posted asking for it. And we havent even seen it to produce eevn 1% increase. Just more ambigous results from a lackluster body piece. You sold your osode to fund a body piece you havent got to drop yet (news flash, it may take some time to get it, i.e. year+). You simply chose an inferior piece due to laziness. You didnt really want our opinions, you just wanted to post half assed crying about you getting "boned on drops" and get a cookie. Well open your mouth, I have a treat for you.