Pahluwhan Body critical increase

[miokomioko]

Glad to see you didnt want advice when you posted asking for it. And we havent even seen it to produce eevn 1% increase. Just more ambigous results from a lackluster body piece. You sold your osode to fund a body piece you havent got to drop yet (news flash, it may take some time to get it, i.e. year+). You simply chose an inferior piece due to laziness. You didnt really want our opinions, you just wanted to post half assed data and get a cookie. Well open your mouth, I have a treat for you.

First of all, read. I never once asked for any advice about anything. I was interested in finding out some more solid testing on the critical hit rate increase on Pahluwan Khazagand. Also, I am amused that ignorance writes it off like it doesn't exist because of a margin of error clouding specific results in whole numbers. Second, you have not a clue how long I have been doing Salvage so I don't understand why you feel obligated to educate me about it and its well-known low drop rates. Finally, I never once came in here to "post half assed data and get a cookie" whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean, nor did I post any "data." You're the jackass who comes into the "Standard Discussion," which is supposed to be void of sharks (insistive assholes), only to be an elitist prick and try to negate the purpose of the entire thread by saying no one should "ever" get this piece of equipment for any reason. Fuck off. Let people discuss the vague descriptions on their items without dicks coming in trying to say their shit sucks (which is debatable and lolsituational).

[Neosutra]

First of all, read. I never once asked for any advice about anything. I was interested in finding out some more solid testing on the critical hit rate increase on Pahluwan Khazagand. Also, I am amused that ignorance writes it off like it doesn't exist because of a margin of error clouding specific results in whole numbers. Second, you have not a clue how long I have been doing Salvage so I don't understand why you feel obligated to educate me about it and its well-known low drop rates. Finally, I never once came in here to "post half assed data and get a cookie" whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean, nor did I post any "data." You're the jackass who comes into the "Standard Discussion," which is supposed to be void of sharks (insistive assholes), only to be an elitist prick and try to negate the purpose of the entire thread by saying no one should "ever" get this piece of equipment for any reason. Fuck off. Let people discuss the vague descriptions on their items without dicks coming in trying to say their shit sucks (which is debatable and lolsituational).

Keep wearing your P.body and thinking its boosting your performance. News flash, if the standard deviation is < 1%, and results have shown no data breaking this threshold, you are wasting your body piece.

Im trying to keep you from wearing an inferior piece and giving you several alternatives, as well as pointing out selling your Osode to fund a drop you may not get for a while is silly as a mnk. To further that, I was commenting on the fact that you werent really here to get any advice on what body piece to use, but rather to state your many excuses for not doing the right thing.

[Wulfgang]

I just don't understand how Shura hasn't dropped; there aren't enough mannequins, let alone players, to equip all the ones I've seen.

[Seraph]

Keep wearing your P.body and thinking its boosting your performance. News flash, if the standard deviation is < 1%, and results have shown no data breaking this threshold, you are wasting your body piece.

Im trying to keep you from wearing an inferior piece and giving you several alternatives, as well as pointing out selling your Osode to fund a drop you may not get for a while is silly as a mnk. To further that, I was commenting on the fact that you werent really here to get any advice on what body piece to use, but rather to state your many excuses for not doing the right thing.

My biggest issue with it is, for the same 20K AP, you could get the gil necessary to buy a Scorpion Harness, which has almost the exact same benefit, and the additional boost of being resellable. P Body would need to jump ahead in a moderately significant way to overcome its major drawback of being -1 inventory unless you drop it.

[Neosutra]

Exactly, sit your ass in sky and offer to buy it from the shells fighting kirin.

[miokomioko]

So, your entire argument is that my Monk should be always TP-ing in a Scorpion Harness instead of a Pahluwan Khazagand? Oh also with a sidenote that you don't approve of my selling Kirin's Osode before I got my Citadel Chelonian drop.

I disagree about the first comment, blah blah blah.
The second part, I dooooooooon't caaaaaaaaaaare.

Keep obnoxiously stating the obvious that there are many better options for melee body armor that are better while completely disregarding the difficulty in obtaining them/affording them or their lack of versatility in comparison. Talk all the shit you want about someone not being fortunate enough to have Usukane/Shura/Enkidu/etc. while turning your nose up at anyone for ever considering that an extra crit+1% merit is better than some situational evasion (and less defense!) until their luck turns and they can get something superior (which is what I explained in the first place). Looking back, it looks like you would rather I TP in an Osode if I still had that. Whatever makes you happy. Just keep pretending you're not being an ass in here.

I appreciate your concern for my inventory, but that's not quite the issue at hand here and I'm sure if I even mentioned wearing Pahluwan Khazagand on PUP or DNC (oops I mentioned it), I would just get a lolDNC or lolPUP response regardless of it being the best obtainable melee body piece outside of rare/ex or overpriced Sandworm drops.

[Seraph]

I appreciate your concern for my inventory, but that's not quite the issue at hand here and I'm sure if I even mentioned wearing Pahluwan Khazagand on PUP or DNC (oops I mentioned it), I would just get a lolDNC or lolPUP response regardless of it being the best obtainable melee body piece outside of rare/ex or overpriced Sandworm drops.

Since people are bringing up the Scorp Harness versus P Body debate, I assumed we are discussing this in a situation where all things are equal. If you are using it on a job that can't use SH (and I'm too lazy to check what they are), that is a different story. I'm more focused on people getting a raging pants splitting hard on because it has an (as of this point in time) unmeasurable boost in critical hit rate over an NQ scorpion harness. For jobs that can wear both, it seems stupid to me to bother with P Body. If you job can only use P Body, why are you even asking if it's worth getting...?

[Cream Soda]

Exactly, sit your ass in sky and offer to buy it from the shells fighting kirin.

Got my original abjuration as well as the abjuration for my -1 this way.

[pchan]

Palhuwan body is a better option than SH. Like many gear it's good .. "until" something. GL with testing, if it's 1% critical hit rate then you'll need a huge sample size, like 10k punchs. If you only want to prove that it increases critical hit rates, then 3k should be enaugh. That would be silly though since it's written "increase rate of crit hits"...

[Neosutra]

Dont get us started in the infalibility of SE's labeling.

And lol@miokomo "ill wear what I want, fuck you". Alla is that way.

[LD]

My biggest issue with it is, for the same 20K AP, you could get the gil necessary to buy a Scorpion Harness, which has almost the exact same benefit, and the additional boost of being resellable. P Body would need to jump ahead in a moderately significant way to overcome its major drawback of being -1 inventory unless you drop it.

If we're gunna play that game, I could easily bring up the instability of the market. First you buy something with AP, sell it for a certain amount, it takes time to get bought. It sells, you buy a SH if one is up at whatever price the seller feels is reasonable. You use it for a while, anywhere from a few months to a year. You get something better and sell SH for whatever seems reasonable. Yea, you could come out ahead, but with the way the market has been trending (not to mention if you're stupid and sold them from Whitegate), it's more likely that you spent more money than you gained, however small the amount. There's also the fact that the whole buy/sell thing takes time and sometimes you just want what you want when you want it. If it gets replaced, you can just drop it without having to play the AH game.

Also, if you have to sell AP items to afford a SH, how would you have the scratch to afford an abjuration? Why even bother with SH?

I got my PBody when SH was still kinda pricey and AP items weren't as reliable, so this branch of the conversation doesn't really apply to me. However, I always rationalized the purchase by realizing that even if the crit bonus was really low (which it seems to be), it was definitely a more offensive stat than 10 evasion. Also, it looks WAY cooler (or it would without the damn pockets). Oh, and before the solo argument comes up, the only place I do that is campaign, where acc really isn't an issue (even on the bosses) and I prefer more defense. Arakan is like $5 and doesn't have a ridiculous amount of resist- to a very common element.

[Alarial]

Did you just bring up -resists as a reason to not get SH?

[Cream Soda]

KRT PARTY BABY! ICE SPIKES -ICE = NOOOO

[miokomioko]

All in all, even a 1% increase in crit. rate is better than 10 evasion, especially subbing NIN. (never mentioned solo)

I have also had my Pahluwan Khazagand for a long time so the decision whether to purchase it or not does not apply to me. The decision to TP in it until my Shura/Enkidu/Usukane drops is not at all absurd. In the lolresist defense... because of that, Scorpion Harness does sucks real bad for punching into some Ice Spikes, heh.

Neosutra: Just leave without trying to have the last spiteful laugh with a stretched Alla insult or accusing me of asking/saying something I didn't. Outside of Shurankidusukane-less MNK, there are other reasons to purchase this piece of equipment so just stop trying to be an elitist jackass about some people wanting to see more specific results on the obscure crit rate enhancement by putting down anyone's reasons(excuses?) for using/purchasing it.

edit: beat on the ice spikes comment, lawl

[Neosutra]

Having to cast shadows less ups your DoT you know?

And you had an osode, which is better for HF/DK, and arguibly better for DoT than P.body, but you sold it for some reason. Then, bought ingots with the gil, instead of parking your ass in sky and getting a Togi like a good mnk.

Keep rocking that P.body Mioko, it was made for you.

[Cream Soda]

Having to cast shadows less ups your DoT you know?

YES!
TOSS UR BKOTES NOW AND USE MELEE GLOVES EVERYONE

[Neosutra]

YES!
TOSS UR BKOTES NOW AND USE MELEE GLOVES EVERYONE

If Bkotes had the exact same attack rating as Melee gloves they would.

[Cream Soda]

My point is if its not big enough of a deal to give up 6 attack for, which is a small amount of attack at best, its obviously not that important in terms of DD.

Can also argue that the Pbody would makeup for the shadow casting time in counter dmg since you'll be in that position more often.

Marginal factors are marginal. If he has Pbody already, no reason for him to go out of his way to get a SH.

While I agree he should aim for a togi, I don't see any problem in using pbody over sh

[miokomioko]

blah blah I need to be the one to get the last insult in before I disappear even though I'm presumptuous and outright wrong about my criticisms

Yes, I shall rock the body piece that's better for TP than what you suggested until, as I originally stated, I get something better, which you have no idea how I'm going about getting, or working towards. Thanks for the unyielding and annoying help correcting my gear that I admitted wasn't top notch from the start.

[LD]

Did you just bring up -resists as a reason to not get SH?

No, I said it has a lot of ice resist minus. That's my reason for not caring that I don't have it for Solo in addition to the lower importance of acc in campaign.