Pahluwhan Body critical increase

[Lahina]

Pchan: Since we "know" criticals cap at 25%, and I'm nowhere near that limit, I'm assuming a p of .25, rather than the .5 that standard error assumes; that about halves the neccessary sample size. For those of you that aren't shitting up the thread (hai Neo and moiko), I'll be posting another set of parses sometime this weekend that'll up it to 4000+ hits per setup, which should have the MOE down to ~.125%

[Neosutra]

Yes, I shall rock the body piece that's better for TP than what you suggested until, as I originally stated, I get something better, which you have no idea how I'm going about getting, or working towards. Thanks for the unyielding and annoying help correcting my gear that I admitted wasn't top notch from the start.

I know this is lost to you, since you already know whats best and dont feel like doing it (go get a togi). SH+1s are cheap now, Togis are cheap if you are willing to sit in sky. Osodes are reasonably cheap and provide nice HF/DK pieces and better DoT than P.body. Hell, even NQ SH at least ups your evasion a bit and keeps you from having to cast shadows a few more times a fight. P.body has nothing but questionable boost to crit hit, and helps nothing else. Keep thinking you are doing a great job to simply placate yourself for wasting 20k AP. Half the people here have already told you the correct thing to do is to grab that gil and go get a togi asap.

But then again, for someone like you, I suspect a 1/1 Turtle drops, so just continue buying ingots.

[LD]

I don't see how price enters into a conversation about superiority and effort. Also, Osode is a piece of shit for MNK except for WSs (that aren't Asuran), stop bringing it up.

[Neosutra]

I don't see how price enters into a conversation about superiority and effort. Also, Osode is a piece of shit for MNK except for WSs (that aren't Asuran), stop bringing it up.

Osode isnt a piece of shit, its just inferior in TP to Togi.

[Cream Soda]

Still don't see where you're getting evasion to be this great huge factor.

Provided that the mob in question isn't already capped acc vs you. Between the extra possible dmg from counters and the times the eva didn't make any difference at all (For example, u have 1 shadow left of ni and are casting ichi, the mob misses you, so you have to cancel ni before ichi has no effect). You're really grasping for straws with the SH vs Pbody evasion deal.

[Valyana]

Z-Test for Two Proportions Calculator tells me that based on the data in the OP we can be 94.2% confident that P.Body does in fact give a bonus to critical hit rate. Needs more data to judge what that bonus actually is.

[Neosutra]

Still don't see where you're getting evasion to be this great huge factor.

Provided that the mob in question isn't already capped acc vs you. Between the extra possible dmg from counters and the times the eva didn't make any difference at all (For example, u have 1 shadow left of ni and are casting ichi, the mob misses you, so you have to cancel ni before ichi has no effect). You're really grasping for straws with the SH vs Pbody evasion deal.

Who casts ichi in merits?

I could buy the "less counter because you evaded" argument, but all that states is that he needs to move to SH+1 or togi. With crit hit improvement so low that it doesnt even show up in decent tests, you can replace P.body with just about any alternative (many of which are easily withing mioko's reach). This is nothing more than one person not wanting to think they wasted 20k AP. The sheer fact that he doesnt want to go get his togi speaks to that.

Also, to the above poster, that probability test assumes random invariant distributions.

[Cream Soda]

Who casts ichi in merits?

Hell, even NQ SH at least ups your evasion a bit and keeps you from having to cast shadows a few more times a fight.

This pretty much implied that it wasn't going to be a merit fight. What party are you in that the mob lasts long enough for you to cast ni more than once or twice? Also lead me to believe you were talking long term because of how many shadows a fight you are saving. For every 95 shadows you use up with SH, you'll use up an average of 100 with P body, which is 2 casts per 30 Ni's, which is most likely reduced to 0-1 cast more when say you have 2-3 shadows and it misses you then flurries. You'll end up in the same position shadow-wise once the WS is done.

Like I said, I agree with going for togi, but NQ SH is just plain and simple grasping for straws.

Edit: And depending on your other gear, (o/bkote, merman's, tiphia, ect) the G colibri is going to be capped either way, which will make no difference

[Neosutra]

This pretty much implied that it wasn't going to be a merit fight. What party are you in that the mob lasts long enough for you to cast ni more than once or twice? Also lead me to believe you were talking long term because of how many shadows a fight you are saving. For every 95 shadows you use up with SH, you'll use up an average of 100 with P body, which is 2 casts per 30 Ni's, which is most likely reduced to 0-1 cast more when say you have 2-3 shadows and it misses you then flurries. You'll end up in the same position shadow-wise once the WS is done.

Like I said, I agree with going for togi, but NQ SH is just plain and simple grasping for straws.

Edit: And depending on your other gear, (o/bkote, merman's, tiphia, ect) the G colibri is going to be capped either way, which will make no difference

Was more speaking to the reader trying to decide wether to pick one up. No one that doesnt already own a P.body should get one to use over SH or anything else for their mnk.

[miokomioko]

Do not under any circumstances purchase/use P.body.

Ever.

SH+1, Shura, Osode, Usukane, Hauby, Enkidu, Antaree.. Anything else is better.

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Was more speaking to the reader trying to decide wether to pick one up. No one that doesnt already own a P.body should get one to use over SH or anything else for their mnk.

Oh ho ho... CONSISTANCY.

Given that it's debatable and situational (at least to everyone besides you) what's more effective between Scorpion Harness and Pahluwan Khazagand, people can choose to spend their Assault Points any way they please as there are jobs in this game aside from MNK. Selling off a few Chiv. Chains isn't going to get them an Anteres Harness. Stop grasping at straws, telling me to get off my ass and to just go waltz on out to sky and get a body abjuration from some sporadic Kirin, and turning this into some personal disappointment that I sold my WS body piece (for weaponskills I never use) for a couple million gil to finish off my dozen ingots so I can get my Usukane immediately when it does finally drop. I know you're just trying to safe face and point fingers at me for being gimp and not knowing how to play but come on you're looking desperate. lol... 1/1 turtle... haha...

[Silenka]

There's still a ton of better options than P.Body, I used it til I got Enkidu harness though because I haven't been able to get a shura togi - although...

...if I had cared about mnk more, if I played it more than once a month, if I was really trying to be a good mnk, I would have found a way to get shura togi, no questions asked. If you're honestly trying to be a really good mnk, there's no excuse, none whatsoever, for not going and paying for a shura togi. Most sky shells on Siren freelot shura bodies because everyone has it already, I can't imagine it's that much different on other servers. If you honestly care about mnk as a job, stop trying to make excuses for P.body.

[Neosutra]

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Oh ho ho... CONSISTANCY.

Given that it's debatable and situational (at least to everyone besides you) what's more effective between Scorpion Harness and Pahluwan Khazagand, people can choose to spend their Assault Points any way they please as there are jobs in this game aside from MNK. Selling off a few Chiv. Chains isn't going to get them an Anteres Harness. Stop grasping at straws, telling me to get off my ass and to just go waltz on out to sky and get a body abjuration from some sporadic Kirin, and turning this into some personal disappointment that I sold my WS body piece (for weaponskills I never use) for a couple million gil to finish off my dozen ingots so I can get my Usukane immediately when it does finally drop. I know you're just trying to safe face and point fingers at me for being gimp and not knowing how to play but come on you're looking desperate. lol... 1/1 turtle... haha...

Safe face? Ill assume you meant Save face. And I already said the concept was lost to you. Any mnk that forgoes getting a Togi because they are "waiting on usu body to drop" is indeed a fucking moron. You dont deserve usukane body with that shitty attitude, which is why I said youd get the drop. Go back to TPing in P.body, Ill go back to loving my Usukane Haramaki. And to be clear, being a good mnk, I worked my ass off to get my Togi. I didnt go "oh well, that would require me to use some of the gil I have AND get a teleport ALL the way out to sky, I mean come on, thats WAY too much work".

[miokomioko]

There's a lot of assumptions and accusations being made as to why I haven't received a Dryadic Abjuration: Body yet and it's all kind of irrelevant and sidestepping the point that Pahluwan Khazagand has some uses and isn't always trumped by a affordable and purchasable piece of equipment. Thus, it's ridiculous to try negate this fact by butting into the thread about the tests on its stats just to say it's worthless. It's not. The end.

You may now continue with the massive sample sizes it takes to pinpoint an accurate result. I'd lend a hand if I had some sort of parser that actually worked. I would get some data myself instead of getting into arguments here with someone who needs help finding his way back to the religion bickering thread.

edit: god your dumbass responded while I was typing.

Safe face? Ill assume you meant Save face. And I already said the concept was lost to you. Any mnk that forgoes getting a Togi because they are "waiting on usu body to drop" is indeed a fucking moron. You dont deserve usukane body with that shitty attitude, which is why I said youd get the drop. Go back to TPing in P.body, Ill go back to loving my Usukane Haramaki. And to be clear, being a good mnk, I worked my ass off to get my Togi. I didnt go "oh well, that would require me to use some of the gil I have AND get a teleport ALL the way out to sky, I mean come on, thats WAY too much work".

Ok... Gigantic fucking 'woooooosh' on the safe face... idiot. Please, feel free to ignore me originally saying I was waiting for shura togi, usukane body 35, and/or etoile casaque to drop as any one could generally replace Pln. body for me.

I'm done arguing with you because you're a moron who keeps repeating ad hominem (what a hypocrite I am!) as a response. I guess if you got fortunate with drops, that means you "worked your ass off" and if you haven't been fortunate with drops, you're a lazy disgrace to the job who has no right to defend their choices of remaining available gear for the meantime. You really make "an ass out of u and me" a fucking lot to support your arguments. Go back to arguing about Jesus, at least being wrong there is a bit more subjective.

Done, enjoy your last laugh of a comment about alla or how I wear P body, or about how your gear is better, or blah blah blah.

[Neosutra]

Wait wait wait. You have Togi and use P.body over it?

Or you have D.abj Body and dont want to fork out a little gil to complete it and use this VASTLY superior peice over P.body?

You laughing at Osode when D.body BLOWS P.body out of the water is fucking retarded. D.body still outparses Osode no doubt, but that osode you sold for ingots would outperform your P.body any day. If you actually have a Togi and choose not to use it, then you are a fool. If you have the abj and choose not to upgrade it, then you are a fool. Either way, it looks like you are a fool.

[miokomioko]

I can not comprehend how you decided that I now have either Shura Togi or the abjuration.

I give up!

[Neosutra]

Because you said there was assumptions being made about why you dont have Togi yet, and the only true answer is either "you havent tried" or you have the abj and are again saving money for the usu piece yet to drop. The answer either way is alt tab off this thread and head straight to sky, leave there when you have a togi.

[VZX]

~4th best Kraken RNG TP body and certainly more cost-effective than Avalon Breastplate (didn't even know RNG could equip this), Skadie's Cuirie, and Haramaki (not happening).

You forgot Enkidu's Harness

[Mifaco]

I TP in P.body. Guess that makes me a wal-mart MNK, eh?

[greenhills]

I TP in P.body. Guess that makes me a wal-mart MNK, eh?

No, think that guy above would say that makes you a bad monk, or a lazy mnk, or a mnk that has better things to do than sit around to make other people happy with their gear.

anyways, wish i had a parser to help contribute to the % being narrowed down. i have shura/ko/etc but that doesn't make me not curious about pahluwhan. i've always wondered what it was for the non-mnk jobs that can use it, thanks for doing those tests.

[pchan]

I'll help you. SH+1 and P.body are shit.