Burgeoning WHM/NIN gear questions

[Fredjan]

I've been looking to try out WHM/NIN as well in a bird pt with some friends, but a time's never really worked out. My gear is similar to Izzy's and I have 272 club skill, etc. Obviously not exact (by that I mean no Mjollnir/KC), but similar. Yes I know I could level a melee job and easily do more damage than a WHM/NIN, but I've played with a lot, enjoy doing it for fun, and Mystic Boon is fun as fuck.

And yes, gorgets help acc on all hits in a multi-hit WS. Generally making them surperior to let's say, peacock charm or prudence torque.

[Kriz]

Completely understandable to look at Martial, I don't want to seem like I'm insulting. Let me basically tell you my experiences with it.

I didn't find the TP bonus to offset the damage loss. Assuming you compare Morgenstern to Martial, it's the critical hit love that you will really feel missing.

I believe the reason Hagun is so amazing is the focus of SAM damage coming from WS, and that's why the AV GK is always fought over whether it will beat the TP bonus.

If you wanted the best MP return on colibri, then yeah, Martial is a solid contender. You could dual wield Martial and Litith ;p

[Quendi]

Lol, I had no idea the proc rate on that club. 20-30% sounds decent.. interesting idea! My initial thoughts were to try martial/perdu or martial/templar mace for both the cure potency and mind for ws modifier. Guess it would depend on the party and how much mp they're sucking out of me. I'll have to give it a try out, and I'll bring the lilith rod for fun too. Thank you much for the feedback.

[Akairyu]

Picked up a pair of the Taru RSE2 feet last night as well as a Wivre Gorget (best acc+ neck piece I could afford and still have gil for last night's Limbus run). Here's my new current equipment, with bolded equipment being a realistic upgrade for the future (ie doable without huge amounts of time or gil) and Bold+underlined equipment being ideal gear for some time way down the line

Weapons:

Darksteel Maul       Morgenstern          Mjollnir /facetious
Templar Mace         Prudence/Purgatory   Perdu/Kraken

TP Gear:

Smart Grenade        Tiphia Sting
Walahra Turban
Wivre Gorget         Spectacles/Chiv Chain/Prudence Torque
Suppanomimi
Insomnia Earring     Merman's/Spike/Diabolos until Brutal
Reverend Mail        Goliard Saio
Blessed Mitts                             Blessed Mitts +1
Tamas/Jaeger Rings   2x Sniper's          2x Sniper's +1 or Toreador
Blue Cape            Bellicose or Royal Army Mantles
Life Belt            Swift Belt
Blessed Trousers                          Blessed Trousers +1
Blessed Pumps                             Blessed Pumps +1

Hexa Strike Gear (only where it differs from TP set):

Optical Hat
Wivre Gorget         Flame or Light Gorget
2x Geist Earrings    2x Spike/Merman's until Brutal/Merman's
Reverend Mail                             Tabin Jupon +1
Healer's Mitts       Healer's Mitts +1
Creek M Clomps

Black Halo/Mystic Boon Gear (Based on Hexa Set with a few alterations):

Healer's Cap         Healer's Cap +1
Wivre Gorget         Breeze Gorget (Black Halo only)
Blessed Briault                           Blessed Briault +1

Am I still missing something?

[Day]

I think I mentioned a good chunk of that below where I was noting the upgrades I was looking into.

Yeah I was gonna say, you like said almost everything he pointed out in the very first paragraph.

[Phraust]

Me and my close friend have ben a Thf|Whm duo for a LOOOOOONG time, and have screwed around with every gear combo for WHM melee known to man, sans relic. What's worked the best so far is the following:

Weapons: Perdu/Antares
>>> this combo is fast, you only lose 1 base damage compared to morgenstern, but you gain a lot of speed, enough to offset the loss of the 6% crit. With all the haste gear she swings faster than a very well geared thief.

TP:
Gear:
Head: Turbo.Turban
Neck: Peacock Charm
Ear1: Suppanomimi
Ear2: Brutal

Body: Nobles. (2 things to note: Goliard hasn't dropped yet, and if you're fighting T or lower you won't need the Acc on Rev.Mail, and if you're fighting T and Higher you'll likely be using Acc food, which also nullifies the need for Rev.mail.)
Hands: Blessed
Ring1: Rajas
Ring2: Blood Ring

Back: Ryl.Kgt Mantle
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Blessed
Feet: Blessed

WS (Hexa):
Gear:
Head: Emp.Hairpin (Working on Orc helm and has 3/3 Marduk(mnd))
Neck: Peacock Charm
Ear1: Merman's Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring.

Body: Tabin Jupon (looking to replace with either Hydra Doublet or a +1, also has 3/3 on Marduk)
Hands: Healer's Mitts +1
Ring1: Aqua Ring
Ring2: Aqua Ring (These paired is 4 Str and 10 mind, other options are available but this so far has worked best for T and lower.)

Back: Ryl.Kgt Mantle
Waist: Potent Belt
Legs: Blessed
Feet: Marduk's Crackows


With the advent of Mystic Poon, Duoing has become exponentially more amusing... I use to get annoyed with her always askign to rest etc, now we're running out of mobs in most of our usual farming spots. Before she got her last few pieces of gear on EP mobs as a ridill thief, I'd do close to a 2:1 ratio of damage to her. Since she got both her Perdu and Antares, she's pulling hate off me once in a while, and can share hate if needed on demand, or more importantly, she always seems to pull hate right when my face got raped, where in those circumstances I'd usually just end up dying. Either way, rambling aside, with -emnity and she's pulling hate off me, I'm pretty staisfied with the options stated above.

[Kriz]

Weapons:Solid Plan

TP Gear:If you have spare CP to burn, Grand Temple Knight Collar is a situational Prudence Torque-1 (5att/5acc outside control) as well. PCC would be nice, but gil doesn't grow on trees. For that, until you get Snip+1/Toreadors, Blood Ring is better than Snip/Woodsman, plus get cute resist traits

Hexa Strike Gear (only where it differs from TP set):Potent Belt is a solid choice. Offset the acc loss if you'd like with Prince's Slops. 4acc 3mnd > 7mnd. If you choose to get Bellicose mantle for TP, I suggest Royal Army for WS. Royal Army is a good middle ground for Boon as well

Black Halo/Mystic Boon Gear (Based on Hexa Set with a few alterations):Solid. If you somehow get a Briault+1 though. Oddly enough, Ixion cloak is the same MND as Healers+1 and BB+1.

I added my thought in italics. It's looking like a great plan.

[Kriz]

Weapons: Perdu/Antares
>>> this combo is fast, you only lose 1 base damage compared to morgenstern, but you gain a lot of speed, enough to offset the loss of the 6% crit. With all the haste gear she swings faster than a very well geared thief.

I'm willing to believe this is a fun combo, like Perdu/Prudence. I don't have an Antares to see though. The Kerykeion is the same, except 2 less dmg and 1 less delay, but from Tier1, so I may go get one. An interesting idea, for sure.

[Izzy]

Woah, I forgot to check back on this thread.

Yes, use Sea Gorgets....Why did I forget about those...?

Is the proc rate on Morgenstern really that high? If so, does it carry over to the main hand if I offhand it? That would kick some ass lol.

[Izzy]

TP Gear:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2530/10769940.jpg

Hexa Strike Gear:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7366/hexa.jpg

Randgrith/Black Halo/Mystic Boon Gear:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6214/randgrith.jpg

The TP gear has a Mermans Earring instead of a Brutal because I'm using a Kraken Club. If you don't have one, you should be using a Brutal.

If you don't have merits, you might wanna put some more accuracy gear on for your Hexa Strike. I personally don't notice that many misses when I do it, but you might prefer more accuracy yourself.

[Akairyu]

If you don't have merits, you might wanna put some more accuracy gear on for your Hexa Strike. I personally don't notice that many misses when I do it, but you might prefer more accuracy yourself.

Yeah, I'm club meritless for the moment. Been concentrating on getting Elemental Magic capped for my BLM so that I'll stop getting such retarded resists on sky gods/Kirin/Ouryu etc.

Actually on that note... STR or INT merits? I do BLM a good chunk so INT merits would be useful there but at the same time, STR would be good for whm melee and any other melee job I ever end up leveling sometime. Any opinions?

/mjollnirjealous ; ;

[Izzy]

I used to care a bunch about INT and I had actually planned on meriting that instead of STR, but once SE released the BLM elemental nerf on ITG mobs....I stopped caring as much. Nothing like watching a completely NQ BLM outdamage you on JoL just because he pushed his macro before you haha.

[Fredjan]

I used to care a bunch about INT and I had actually planned on meriting that instead of STR, but once SE released the BLM elemental nerf on ITG mobs....I stopped caring as much. Nothing like watching a completely NQ BLM outdamage you on JoL just because he pushed his macro before you haha.

QFT.
That said I'm doing INT personally because my BLM is my most used job.

Is the proc rate on Morgenstern really that high? If so, does it carry over to the main hand if I offhand it? That would kick some ass lol.

Pretty sure it'd apply just to Morgenstern, whether main hand or off hand. I haven't done extensive testing on it, but that's been my accepted knowledge of it thus far.

On that note, figured I might post what I use though:

General stuff:
Don't have any gorgets yet, working on it though.
8/8 club merits, 4/4 crit.

TP:
Weapons: Gullintani/Morgenstern (or Prudence Rod, if I'm using Virtue Stones). No Perdu yet, ~3700 coins from finishing excluding the 3k loan, and obviously no KC.
Ammo: Tiphia Sting. Acc+attack > attack+4 from Smart Grenade imo
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Peacock Charm
Earrings: Brutal + Merman's (No Suppa)
Body: Goliard Saio
Hands: Blessed Mitts +1
Rings: Sniper's Ring x2
Back: Bellicose Mantle
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Blessed Trousers (D: @ no +1)
Feet: Blessed Pumps +1

Hexa (gear's the same as TP with the following exceptions):
Head: Optical Hat
Body: Reverend Mail
Hands: Healer's Mitts +1
Waist: Potent Belt
Feet: Marine M Boots
-- Currently I still use Sniper's for this, might invest in Flame Rings for it though when I'm more comfortable with acc

Black Halo / Mystic Boon / Randgrith (only listing slots that change from TP):
Head: Healer's Cap +1
Neck: Ajari Necklace
Body: Blessed Briault +1
Hands: Healer's Mitts +1
Rings: Aqua Ring + Tamas Ring
Back: Prism Cape
Waist: Potent Belt
Feet: Cleric's Duckbills +1

/awaits criticism

[Kriz]

QFT.
Pretty sure it'd apply just to Morgenstern, whether main hand or off hand. I haven't done extensive testing on it, but that's been my accepted knowledge of it thus far.

Hexa (gear's the same as TP with the following exceptions):
Head: Optical Hat
Body: Reverend Mail
Hands: Healer's Mitts +1
Waist: Potent Belt
Feet: Marine M Boots
-- Currently I still use Sniper's for this, might invest in Flame Rings for it though when I'm more comfortable with acc

Black Halo / Mystic Boon / Randgrith (only listing slots that change from TP):
Head: Healer's Cap +1
Neck: Ajari Necklace
Body: Blessed Briault +1
Hands: Healer's Mitts +1
Rings: Aqua Ring + Tamas Ring
Back: Prism Cape
Waist: Potent Belt
Feet: Cleric's Duckbills +1

/awaits criticism

I believe KS30 weapons don't proc the 6% on sub.

Marine M feet is def good.
Technically you'll want HQ STR rings (like Izzy has) cause Flame has -MND on it.
Tabin Jupon+1 and Prince's Slops > Rev Mail + Blessed+1 (12acc 3MND 2STR> 10acc 2MND). Volunteer's Brais and Hydra Brais on the "Be nice to get" list IMO

Excellent gear

[Fredjan]

After I finish Relic I'll mess with Hexa Strike accuracy and TP returns on stuff that I'll use my WHM/NIN on and see if I want to use STR instead of accuracy. Until then I'll just stick with Sniper's (and eventually looking to +1 them).

I have Prince's Slops, but don't have Tabin Jupon +1.

[Izzy]

Pretty nice gear. Just needs HQ/gorgets once you have the time to get it! Also, the Marduk body piece is best for Randgrith if you can get it. I just need to pay for mine and I'm not really interested in dropping that much money yet haha.

What race are you?

[Valyana]

What I'm asking is if I'm equipping the Morgenstern offhand, will the crit bonus carry over to the Mjollnir as well?

Nope.

[Izzy]

Nope.

DAMN YOU QUOTED ME TOO FAST BEFORE I COULD ERASE IT! lol

[Akairyu]

Just picked up a Relic Maul in Dyna-Windy last night. Check back in like, 3 years and I might have Mjollnir har har

brb grinding cooking 60->100 and leveling my fishing so I can rake in gil on sushi <.<;

[Fredjan]

Pretty nice gear. Just needs HQ/gorgets once you have the time to get it! Also, the Marduk body piece is best for Randgrith if you can get it. I just need to pay for mine and I'm not really interested in dropping that much money yet haha.

What race are you?

Hume.