KA

[Sylvrdragon]

Between BLU and RDM, could either or both solo him pretty consistantly?

[Colenzo]

no they are dragons

[Tsuko_Asura]

Between BLU and RDM, could either or both solo him pretty consistantly?

Read the thread.

[Suiram]

I only tried BLU solo* once (*used NPC), and I ended up raging him when he was around 10-20% just because I was stupid and didn't bring yagudo drinks. With enough MP there's no doubt it could be done, and probably without NPC, too.

[Aragon of Odin]

Been thinking of trying this recently since my friend quit and gave me his Mnk account. Couple questions about playing Mnk though.

Will be triboxing so was thinking of going Mnk/War cause probably couldn't count shadows reliably. Good idea or will I take too much dmg?

Will be Rdm/Whm, Mnk/War and Blm/Rdm.

Should I use Counterstance full time or not? Use Retaliators or Destroyers? Black Tathlum or Bibiki Seashell? Berserk full-time or go Store TP > Berserk > WS > Defender > Store TP > Cancel Defender > WS > Cancel Berserk. Been a long ass time since I fought him so can't remember how hard he hits.

This Mnk lacks Usu gear, other then that his gear is decent.
Destroyers/Retaliators/Black Tathlum/Bibiki Seashell
Walahra/PCC/Brutal/Merman
Shura/B.Kote's/Rajas/Snipers(or should I get Woodsmans?)
Cerb/BB/Byakko/Fuma

Asuran Fists
Destroyers/Retaliators/Black Talthlum
Hissho Hachimaki/Sea Gorget/Mermans/Mermans
Shura/B.Kote/rajas/sniper's
Cerb/BB/Shura/? (can't remember what he has for here)

Has 8/8 H2H merits, 4 eva, 5/5 Str
5/5 Kick attacks, 5/5 Counter, 5/5 Penance and 5/5 Mantra.

Just wanna make sure I'm not getting in over my head by going /War to this.

Edit: Also eat meat or sushi?

[Silenka]

Will be triboxing so was thinking of going Mnk/War cause probably couldn't count shadows reliably. Good idea or will I take too much dmg?

Should I use Counterstance full time or not? Use Retaliators or Destroyers? Black Tathlum or Bibiki Seashell? Berserk full-time or go Store TP > Berserk > WS > Defender > Store TP > Cancel Defender > WS > Cancel Berserk. Been a long ass time since I fought him so can't remember how hard he hits.


Has 8/8 H2H merits, 4 eva, 5/5 Str
5/5 Kick attacks, 5/5 Counter, 5/5 Penance and 5/5 Mantra.

Just wanna make sure I'm not getting in over my head by going /War to this.

Edit: Also eat meat or sushi?

Merits sound good except mantra, wtf. Drop them and get 4/5 invigorate and 1/5 formless strikes if you have the time to merit it, it will be useful, especially on a tri-boxed char. Whereas, mantra is never useful. At least, not that I've ever seen. Get him some goddamn crit merits if he doesn't have some already.

I don't know if you're using him to tank full-time or whatever you're doing but here's some general advice:

MNK/WAR will be fine depending on what you're fighting, if it's something with a lot of AoE don't even bother with /nin just get that invigorate on chakra and you'll have some good inherent regen every 5 mins. Counterstance full time with retaliators would probably be fine as long as the mnk is actually tanking/pulling hate a lot, if not then don't bother putting it up, the drop in defense wouldn't be worth it. Otherwise, I would pick Destroyers over retaliators for normal use.

Black tathlum over seashell, this isn't even a choice lol. Berserk full time for DoT if he's not pulling hate and being a mp sink, if he is then only use it for WS.

Basically these will mostly be common-sense things, just use common sense >.>

[edit] marinara pizza +1 ftw

[tommygunnz]

Killing KA without at the very least TH2 is retarded anyways, have fun on your 0/ridiculous amount drop rate and becoming hated by everyone at the camp that actually comes prepared and doesn't waste KA's. Although I am sure they had enough lulz watching you wipe to KA.

Also Inb4 1/1 "no thf" lies and garbage.

[Unstable]

Killing KA without at the very least TH2 is retarded anyways, have fun on your 0/ridiculous amount drop rate and becoming hated by everyone at the camp that actually comes prepared and doesn't waste KA's. Although I am sure they had enough lulz watching you wipe to KA.

Also Inb4 1/1 "no thf" lies and garbage.

I got TH+4 and got the same amount of belts almost drop with TH4 then with out TH4. TH is not amazing.

[tommygunnz]

I got TH+4 and got the same amount of belts almost drop with TH4 then with out TH4. TH is not amazing.

Ya every shell should kill Tiamats and such without TH, it means nothing your right.

[Silenka]

There is not even any proof that TH works on every single mob. It might not work at all on KA, you have no proof that it does. Quit whining.

[tommygunnz]

You are an idiot if you kill almost all of the big time NMs or HNMs without TH.

FACT.

Just shut up and accept it, this is not even up for debate.

[Ollieyk]

0/146 on KA at the moment.

You just got unresisted is all, you never usually notice it cause he's such a low level you're almost always resisting.

I've personally seen MNK/DNC(no Usukane), BST/THF(Carrie only), PLD/RDM, and NIN/DNC(Kikoku) solo it anywhere from 15-18 minutes. I've personally never raged a KA, but have seen plenty, it starts to rage at 20minutes into the fight, takes about 3-5 more minutes to completely own face.

Saw a PLD/WAR(Aegis) try to solo once, raged it and killed the PLD in 3 hits from full HP, a few minutes after it raged.

Again, as for the unraged, big WatergaIV's was just a lucky unresist on a single target.


As far as /DNC and dispel is concerned, I have no idea, I've got /DNC37 but don't use it as my NIN is retired and I don't ever campaign lol.

0/146.......

Didn't even realise that was possible...

[Thorshammer]

There is not even any proof that TH works on every single mob. It might not work at all on KA, you have no proof that it does. Quit whining.

what?

[Unstable]

what?

Sum mobs have a set Treasure pool that only say 2 items out of 5 from that category will drop. Good example is Bv2. It was proven that some H/NMs where the same way i.e King Beh.

So TH does not work on all mobs. Plus if you want a better TH you want 18/18 people attacking KA. Each player has a natural treasure hunter. Just a THF's is stronger. This was publicly given out at a fan vest once.

[Aragon of Odin]

Silenka, I am reffering to KA only which is why I posted this in the KA thread, I am not droppping merits to remerit a character that I will almost never use. Also Bibiki Seashell was a question because KA is Aquan so the killer effect in this case might be better then the acc/att, which is what I'm wondering.

Tommy, I have no hopes of going 1/1, but doing it alone and being able to cast on the drop alone IMO is greater then trying to bring a Thf who will also want to cast lots, then after beating my lot probably never show up again. I can however go Rdm/Thf(for some TH at least), Blm/Whm, and Mnk/War. I want one of my characters to be /whm for Barwatera and poisona/paralyna. To say TH is an absolute requirement to get drop would be wrong to, or I wouldn't know of Mnk/Dnc's that solo'd and got drop.

Edit: Yes he has 4/4 Crit merits as well.

[Silenka]

What Unstable said, plus the fact that everything in a pool has a percent chance to drop, TH only increases that percent chance, but that does not mean that it increases it on every item in every lot pool. I don't think it's been proven that TH even affects speed belt drops, it could, but there's no solid proof, and it would be real fucking hard to dig up proof considering the difficulty of claiming the mob, much less seeing a drop off of it. Anyway I just wanted Tommygunzz to stop whining about bringing a thf, sure it can't hurt but not everyone who wants a speed belt has access to a thf.

@mnk tribox: ok, black tathlum will still probably help more than seashell, you should probably just sub war to kill it faster because of those watergas with /nin, just watch the mnk's hate. I guess if it's just for KA you wouldn't bother remeriting, no.

[Raithen]

I used to trio MNK/WAR(or THF if I felt like Chi Blast was ok for claim, having 2 JA is better), WAR/NIN, WHM dualboxed. I can't imagine it being much harder without the WAR as the WHM never came close to running out of MP and KA died in ~6-7 minutes tops. We used Acid Bolts for Dispel, but could easily sub RDM on the WHM.

For MNK solo/duo I'd probably just wear full, or most, haste. I always used Counterstance since I had the WHM dualbox and I left Berserk on. MNK/DNC would probably be a breeze. Can't say Box Step removes Defense Bonus, but it seems to counter Cocoon well enough.

For the guy triboxing, is there no melee job the BLM could use to help bounce hate? Oh and I totally agree with no seashell, that thing hardly ever fuckin' procs on KA.

[Aragon of Odin]

Nah the BLM is just BLM only, he's just a mule that has Brd leveled but I got rid of all the Brd gear once I got this Mnk since the Mnk account has Brd as well. KA will be fully debuffed, the RDM is my main and has full MND build for de-buffs, so will be kept Slow'd/Para'd/Dia'd/dispelled the whole fight.

[Thorny]

Nah the BLM is just BLM only, he's just a mule that has Brd leveled but I got rid of all the Brd gear once I got this Mnk since the Mnk account has Brd as well. KA will be fully debuffed, the RDM is my main and has full MND build for de-buffs, so will be kept Slow'd/Para'd/Dia'd/dispelled the whole fight.

Heaven forbid you spend 25k buying a cornette+1 and faerie piccolo. BRDs don't need gear, mmkay

[Seedz]

Use the seashell and eat meat, KA is such a low level mob that your acc will be capped period. MNK/WAR with counterstance full time, RDM/THF and BLM/WHM should do the job easily. If you have access to Faith h2h, by all means use that with Virtue Stones, as it will speed things up. If not, then I'd use Destroyers because of the crit bonus, lower delay and no -evasion. You'll be surprised how easily and fast you kill it.

Good luck!