Grid Addon

[Arvin]

No, it's not shitty advice. You getting defensive over your UI and being snappy at underscore is pretty uncalled for. He's just trying to suggest stuff out of help, you don't have to be an asshole about it. Your UI is pretty fucking cluttered though, but hey, play on however you want.

Seriously get pissed dude, lol

[aurik]

It is shitty advice, actually, because I'm adjusted to my UI, not his. I heal my way, not his.

You don't have to get all defensive for him because he's in your guild. He should know that if he goes around offering unsolicited advice sometimes people are going to shoot him down. And he should expect it, because he's offering advice without really knowing the specifics. So, yea, it's going to be bad advice sometimes.

[Dezzimal]

Yeah I'm used to my warcry merits too aurik.

[aurik]

Yeah I'm used to my warcry merits too aurik.

Man that's such a perfect analogy. See, warcry merits precluded the use of actual useful merits, just like the way my UI precludes...uh...well...hmm.

So you rather look down and use your upper peripheral vision so see your character above your grid, congratulations. I rather look right and use my left peripheral vision. Big fucking difference there! You like using icons, I like using mnemonics. Wow, that's a game-breaking change!

[Kurp]

Wow, I've been away from FF for so long, but the Warcry merits quip made me seriously laugh out loud.

[Dezzimal]

Peripheral vision isn't exactly the best way to detect things like void zones cropping up under you. I'm not sure what all you've done endgame wise yet but having important things front-and-center near where your character is on the screen is something that a lot of high end raiders agree makes it easier to see what is happening around your character and react to it faster. You should really learn to try things that might be uncomfortable to you at first, and work out in the long run.

[Plow]

Man that's such a perfect analogy. See, warcry merits precluded the use of actual useful merits, just like the way my UI precludes...uh...well...hmm.

So you rather look down and use your upper peripheral vision so see your character above your grid, congratulations. I rather look right and use my left peripheral vision. Big fucking difference there! You like using icons, I like using mnemonics. Wow, that's a game-breaking change!

Actually, the way you have your UI set up precludes being able to move and heal most effectively, it takes you way too long to turn left with your grid on the far right of your screen.

[Dantrag]

What? Who gives a shit. If it works for him again, who gives a fuck.

[Gulkeeva]

Peripheral vision isn't exactly the best way to detect things like void zones cropping up under you. I'm not sure what all you've done endgame wise yet but having important things front-and-center near where your character is on the screen is something that a lot of high end raiders agree makes it easier to see what is happening around your character and react to it faster. You should really learn to try things that might be uncomfortable to you at first, and work out in the long run.

haha yeah I do that alot, especially since i like to click stuff /rawr

I have most my debuffs/buffs with a visual que in the middle with powa mod

[aurik]

Peripheral vision isn't exactly the best way to detect things like void zones cropping up under you. I'm not sure what all you've done endgame wise yet but having important things front-and-center near where your character is on the screen is something that a lot of high end raiders agree makes it easier to see what is happening around your character and react to it faster. You should really learn to try things that might be uncomfortable to you at first, and work out in the long run.

It's either staring at grid below or staring at grid to the right; either way, we're using peripheral vision to watch the fight while keeping the hots rolling and the raid healed as a druid.

Done pretty much everything in T7, won everything excluding drake sarths and maly25 because I pug most everything and pug groups just can't win those on my sever. But, hey, thanks for the concern. I have absolutely zero problems with void zones / standing in the fire on my tree. If and when that becomes a problem, I'll let you know.

Actually, the way you have your UI set up precludes being able to move and heal most effectively, it takes you way too long to turn left with your grid on the far right of your screen.

It takes me too long to turn left? What? Click screen, drag mouse, camera turns left? You do know that all my heals are actually keybinds / clique macros and not button clicks, right?

[Correction]

Elkano does not take up more space than the default blizz buff auras if you have even the slightest clue what you're doing and don't use the default settings.

[underscore]

No need to take my advice as a personal attack on you.

-edited out warcry stuff, didn't see that was directed towards you and not me, btw I agree with you that "warcry merits" didn't apply here-

My advice was geared towards localizing your focus instead of having it potentially split up during an encounter, which you obviously don't agree with. I apologize if you felt that I was trying to force you to my way of thinking but that wasn't my intent. I realized that you might not have agreed with or even cared for my advice which is why I started my post by stating it was unasked for.

I don't understand why your replies are so hostile though when I feel that I haven't said anything even remotely hostile towards you.

[aurik]

No need to take my advice as a personal attack on you.

My advice was geared towards localizing your focus instead of having it potentially split up during an encounter, which you obviously don't agree with. I apologize if you felt that I was trying to force you to my way of thinking but that wasn't my intent. I realized that you might not have agreed with or even cared for my advice which is why I started my post by stating it was unasked for.

I don't understand why your replies are so hostile though when I feel that I haven't said anything even remotely hostile towards you.

Walking in and saying "you're doing it wrong--this is how you should do it" is going to earn you a negative reaction more often than not. Maybe next time instead of offering unsolicited advice, you should ask questions and open a discussion instead. As I said to Arvin, there are factors that you aren't aware of, and those factors make your suggestions shitty.

If, instead, you opened by asking questions ("why do you have your grid to the right instead of below your character?") then I would have responded ("my monitor is low on my desk so looking down instead of right for long periods of time is uncomfortable"), and we could have had a discussion about the decisions I've made.

My UI isn't perfect, but for me suggestions like "make your grid buttons bigger" is just downright retarded. I have no problems navigating to the right frame for whack-a-mole tests like Frost Blast. I just don't need bigger buttons to operate effectively. Similarly, I am an extremely fast reader, so recommending using buff icons instead of text mnemonics is counterproductive.

Things like "localize your focus" have already been incorporated into my UI, just you don't understand how I utilize the information on my UI. I don't use the party/target frames during combat--they're only used for party management functions (inspect/trade/uninvite etc) and are suppressed in raid. Most of the time I'm watching my grid with my peripheral vision tracking my debuffs (above my HoT timers), my character (to the left) and my cooldowns (to the right). The one thing I know I need to do is move my focus frame, and I'm thinking about filtering the target-buff elk bar so that there's not so much pointless information presented, because in big events the list grows long enough to get in the way.

TLDR summary: ask questions before making recommendations, lest you make poor recommendations.

[Plow]

It takes me too long to turn left? What? Click screen, drag mouse, camera turns left? You do know that all my heals are actually keybinds / clique macros and not button clicks, right?

Sorry I meant to say "turn and target."

[aurik]

Sorry I meant to say "turn and target."

Click screen, drag, click target? Not any harder!

(Not to mention, as a healer, 99% of the time I target using grid--very rarely target otherwise)

[Plow]

Enemies, mostly. You are after all one of the best CC classes in the game now, provided you leave tree now and then.


But it's really just part of the point. Rather than worrying about your UI being sleek and prioritizing clear space in the middle, it's much more efficient to make them less obtrusive and keep yourself centered.


edit: if you're not sure what I mean by less obtrusive, see my ss in UI thread where I have a 40 person block of healbot right near the center of my screen, but you can see straight through it

[underscore]

If you want to take all advice as "you're doign it wrong, my way is better than urs", no one's stopping you. I didn't think I had put it that way but I'm not a psychic and don't know how each and every person will react to what I say, so it's hardly fair to suggest for me to question your methods before giving advice just because that's how you prefer it.

You could have just as easily said your reasons why you thought my advice was counter-productive to your healing methods without being so hostile(just like the post you made most recently), but since it's the internet it's ok to be an asshole.

[aurik]

Enemies, mostly. You are after all one of the best CC classes in the game now, provided you leave tree now and then.


But it's really just part of the point. Rather than worrying about your UI being sleek and prioritizing clear space in the middle, it's much more efficient to make them less obtrusive and keep yourself centered.


edit: if you're not sure what I mean by less obtrusive, see my ss in UI thread where I have a 40 person block of healbot right near the center of my screen, but you can see straight through it

If "you can see right through it" you mean "impossible to see because it's transparent and a billion effects are being drawn behind it", I'd agree with you. But then, to each his own. I'm sure that you're used to picking out the healbot tab despite the game FX, so it doesn't bother you--just like I'm not bothered by the "intrusive" UI setup I use.

[Plow]

It's only that highly translucent when they're 100% health (or dead) and have nothing I can decurse (since that's on my mage). If it were pally you'd see little icons for shield and beacon, as well as poly, ua, and fear, as well as different colors for stuff I can cleanse or purify, and bolder coloring depending on hp levels.

[aurik]

I'm sure it works for you.