Does Enmity gear affect CE/VE accumuled by dealing damage.

[Ophannus]

Basically does 750 damage with +30 enmity create more hate than 750 damage without +enmity? I figure BLM and RNG have -Enmity gear on it because of high damage spells/arrows. So does enmity gear affect hate generated from damage sources such as nukes/r.att and auto attack?

Finally does macroing enmity into atonement produce more CE/VE than if you hadn't and if yes then wouldn't it follow that the next atonement should do more due to the extra enemity produced from the last atonement with the +enmity gear?

[Max™]

Yes, +Enm applies to damage dealt as I recall Kaeko's testing.

Yes, wear +Enm gear for Atonement to pump out more hate, since that is it's only mod, you may as well pump up the next one.

God Atonement is brokenawesome, gets stronger with more hate, and generates hate to make itself stronger... shame hate has a cap.

[Ophannus]

Kaeko didnt explicitly mention enmity affecting the damage formula but he didn't deny it either, he kinda just never mentioned it. But he did say something like "Enmity gear grants a direct percentage increase to CE/VE of actions". Do damage spells/auto attack/r.attack count as actions? Or only certain spells,enfeebles and JA.

[Max™]

Anything you do while on the monsters hate list and within 25' or whatever the detection range is, counts as an action with VERY few exceptions.

Activating simple JA's gives at least 1 CE in most cases.

I remember seeing him mention that damage dealt was much harder to calculate exactly, but seemed to follow roughly the same formula as curing hate.

You can tell this with DD's when they cap out CE from damage, and any JA/WS they use which makes a VE spike turns it to them instantly.

[Cog]

You also lose V.enmity at an increased rate with +enmity gear on, so in theory you could build hate with +enmity and then slow its loss with -enmity if you start getting smacked. i'm pretty sure 99% of abilities and spells generate enmity that is effected by gear, except CureV and some pet abilities.

[Spekkio]

You also lose V.enmity at an increased rate with +enmity gear on, so in theory you could build hate with +enmity and then slow its loss with -enmity if you start getting smacked. i'm pretty sure 99% of abilities and spells generate enmity that is effected by gear, except CureV and some pet abilities.

this information is incorrect. kaeko demonstrated experimentally that VE degredation/time was unaffected by any factors outside of the brd class 2 merit song.

[Zosi]

You also lose V.enmity at an increased rate with +enmity gear on, so in theory you could build hate with +enmity and then slow its loss with -enmity if you start getting smacked. i'm pretty sure 99% of abilities and spells generate enmity that is effected by gear, except CureV and some pet abilities.

No. VE decays at a constant rate, and you DO NOT lose VE by getting hit. There are only two things that modify the enmity you lose from getting hit, and those are damage taken and max HP.

[Ultimagi]

Guardian.

[Spekkio]

and burtgang if you want to get technical, but yes. enmity gear both + and - only affect generation, not dissipation.

[Zosi]

Burtgang only affects CE, and I haven't seen any testing regarding Guardian. I'd be very interested in such testing though, since I'm thinking about changing my merits to cap or 4/5 Guardian.

[Ultimagi]

I would as well, since Chivalry is much less useful with Atonement.

[Seraph]

I would as well, since Chivalry is much less useful with Atonement.

Options are your friend.

[Valyana]

this information is incorrect. kaeko demonstrated experimentally that VE degredation/time was unaffected by any factors outside of the brd class 2 merit song.

That was a testing error; Sirvente does not affect VE decay. I believe it affects CE loss from taking damage, but haven't yet tested it.

[Max™]

this information is incorrect. kaeko demonstrated experimentally that VE degredation/time was unaffected by any factors outside of the brd class 2 merit song.

Yeah, I was trying to remember what he found for that, so I didn't respond, but I knew the +Enm = more hate loss was bad info.

[Xanthe]

That was a testing error; Sirvente does not affect VE decay. I believe it affects CE loss from taking damage, but haven't yet tested it.

I seem to recall Burtgang's reduced enmity decrease when taking damage trait being stated as approximately the same potency as a level 2 Sirvente (10%).

[Shinryuu]

That's correct. And OP: yes, use enmity gear (what else are you going to wear anyway, broken WS grumble grumble give NIN something similar grumble).

[Ophannus]

Why does NIN need anything? I recall from 2004-2007 it was Final Fantasy Ninja, with NINs tanking wyrms and everything with their precious /DRK and PLD was meh. Now the tables have shifted and NINs are complaining? Psh.

[Shinryuu]

Nah, people were just too stupid to use PLD/NIN on some servers. Besides, NIN/DRK became popular exactly the same time as PLD/NIN. Something to do with an overrated level 5 WAR ability.

[Max™]

FUCK YOU!

I LOVE MY VOKE!

T.T

I only sub /War for Double Attack and Berserk on Pld though. /sigh

[Kerberoz]

Why does NIN need anything? I recall from 2004-2007 it was Final Fantasy Ninja, with NINs tanking wyrms and everything with their precious /DRK and PLD was meh. Now the tables have shifted and NINs are complaining? Psh.

Why do I see this logic so often?

Yeah, fuck balance! It's all about butthurt retribution!

Melee Fantasy XI is cool too because BLMs got all those awesome 7k/hr parties in 2004!