Li pleads not guilty in Greyhound beheading trial

[Avanarius]

Li pleads not guilty in Greyhound beheading trial

And forensic psychiatrist Dr. Stanley Yaren gave evidence that Li was diagnosed as schizophrenic and suffering a major psychotic episode — tormented by auditory hallucinations — at the time of the killing.

The finding means Li could be sent to a provincial psychiatric facility rather than to prison. He would be placed under the authority of a provincial review board, which would judge whether he poses a risk to the public. The review board has the power to keep Li under its authority or, if he is no longer considered a risk, discharge him.

no longer considered a risk? wut.

[AkashiXI]

This is the guy that snapped on a greyhound bus, mutilated some dude, and proceeded to shred his entire body into chunks before the driver stopped the bus and got everyone evacuated?

[Dimmauk]

God told him to do it. He learned how to kill by playing Video games.

[Jefe]

Reminds me of that John Cusack movie.

[Nystul]

I always thought that an insanity plea should be a guilty plea- as in "I did it but I was crazy." That you'd plead guilty by reason of insanity.

Not guilty by insanity means, to me, "I didn't do it and I'm crazy" which is just the wrong idea.

[kuronosan]

Reminds me of that John Cusack movie.

Whores don't get second chances.

[deshende]

Reminds me of that John Cusack movie.

I don't remember Natty Gan being so violent.

[Brill Weave]

Insane or not. This man needs locked up for the rest of his life. Schizophrenia is something that stays with you your entire life. Medication helps control it but it's always there. People who have taken medication for a while start to believe they are better and stop taking their meds. And what happens after that? You cut the head off a young man on a greyhound, that's what happens!

Whether it be in psychiatric care or in prison, this man should not be released into the public ever again. He will always pose a risk to anyone around him on the outside. Or our friendly neighbors to the north could just deport his decapitating ass back to China.....in pieces.

[Khamsin]

Maybe it's "not guilty" as in "I didn't do it", and he has a really good defense attorney. The prosecution will have to prove it was him!

[Brill Weave]

Well I would think that the parts of him he ate would leave at least a trace amount of the other guy's DNA? Maybe he asked the bus driver to stop at a Tim Horton's and he refused. Damn you Tim Horton's for serving us sandwiches with a donut on the side!!

[Elvis]

wasn't there a thread on here a couple of months ago about a guy who ate his family or something after being deemed 'fit' to return to society? i think it was either the subject of the thread or mentioned in another thread about a guy who ate his own eyeball...

silly humans

[zimzy]

and he gets no jail time.

[GeneJackit]

I think you have to be somewhat crazy to behead someone w/ a hunting knife and proceed to eat part of that person, but i would be shocked if he didnt get in the prison...not being canadian, im not sure how exactly it would work if he was in a loony bin...maybe that is like a high security hospital? Like a prison but w/ doctors helping you out?

[aurik]

I always thought that an insanity plea should be a guilty plea- as in "I did it but I was crazy." That you'd plead guilty by reason of insanity.

Not guilty by insanity means, to me, "I didn't do it and I'm crazy" which is just the wrong idea.

It's due to the idea that you need to be aware of your actions in order to be truly guilty of a crime:
Mens rea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is interesting to see the reaction to this. I assume most people will think he should be locked up.

I agree with the verdict: if he is sick and did this because he is sick, then when he is not sick then there is no reason to punish him; the system is there for rehabilitation, thus it's pointless to further rehabilitate. Imprisoning him simply for punitive reasons is no more productive than kicking over someone's sandcastle because they accidentally stepped on yours: the only result is more destruction.

[FNH]

insanity plea won't work.

[Brill Weave]

aurik do you really think someone who cuts the head off a another human being is worth the attempts at rehabilitation? I personally think that this person will always pose a risk to anyone he is exposed to. True, conditions like this can be controlled. But they cannot be cured, despite all the in depth counciling he would receive, his "other side" would always be there. Rehabilitate him and release him and we will see his name in the headlines again. It would only be a matter of time.

What happens when he decides to stop taking his medication? He instantly becomes a risk again.

[Elvis]

here's a compromise:

reality tv show

[aurik]

aurik do you really think someone who cuts the head off a another human being is worth the attempts at rehabilitation?

That's a judgment call. Personally, no, I don't. I think we should just execute him, because it's really expensive and far from high success rate curing this kind of illness. The public will be paying his (expensive) bill for a long time. I don't think it's a good investment--he will never be as productive as a member of society for us to see a return on the money we invest.

I personally think that this person will always pose a risk to anyone he is exposed to. True, conditions like this can be controlled. But they cannot be cured, despite all the in depth counciling he would receive, his "other side" would always be there. Rehabilitate him and release him and we will see his name in the headlines again. It would only be a matter of time.

That's a nice opinion, but I assume that doctors with training in the area are more qualified to make judgments like this.

[Seraph]

It's due to the idea that you need to be aware of your actions in order to be truly guilty of a crime:
Mens rea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is interesting to see the reaction to this. I assume most people will think he should be locked up.

I agree with the verdict: if he is sick and did this because he is sick, then when he is not sick then there is no reason to punish him; the system is there for rehabilitation, thus it's pointless to further rehabilitate. Imprisoning him simply for punitive reasons is no more productive than kicking over someone's sandcastle because they accidentally stepped on yours: the only result is more destruction.

Just because his actions may not have been completely deliberate, does not automatically imply they were accidental, or dismissible. At the very least, this is still blatant manslaughter. I agree they shouldn't just kill the guy, especially if he suffers from a legitimate medical condition. However, if this was caused by a medical condition, I don't think it is one you can realistically recover from to the point you are willing to risk more human lives on it.

Also, I think this case is so famous because he is one of the handful of violent people ever in Canada. Ever. Donuts, beer, and fresh air. What sane person needs anything else?

[aurik]

Just because his actions may not have been completely deliberate, does not automatically imply they were accidental, or dismissible. At the very least, this is still blatant manslaughter. I agree they shouldn't just kill the guy, especially if he suffers from a legitimate medical condition. However, if this was caused by a medical condition, I don't think it is one you can realistically recover from to the point you are willing to risk more human lives on it.

Also, I think this case is so famous because he is one of the handful of violent people ever in Canada. Ever. Donuts, beer, and fresh air. What sane person needs anything else?

It's one thing to say that we won't ever be able to cure him. It's another to say he should be held responsible for actions that he basically had no control over. From my understanding, it's not like he had medication that he wasn't taking, or drugs that he was taking that precipitated this event. Read up on Mens Rea that I linked--he's not guilty of manslaughter without the ability to comprehend his actions.