Li pleads not guilty in Greyhound beheading trial

[Seraph]

It's one thing to say that we won't ever be able to cure him. It's another to say he should be held responsible for actions that he basically had no control over. From my understanding, it's not like he had medication that he wasn't taking, or drugs that he was taking that precipitated this event. Read up on Mens Rea that I linked--he's not guilty of manslaughter without the ability to comprehend his actions.

I understand, but realistically if his time getting treatment is less than the time he would have spent in jail (and I doubt it should be), I think he should spend the rest of the time in jail. Insanity is often such a weak plea. Depending on how you look at it, most times a person has to be at some level insane to kill another person.

[aurik]

He's not guilty of a crime, his allotted time in jail is 0.

[Seraph]

He's not guilty of a crime, his allotted time in jail is 0.

Assuming he is actually insane.

[aurik]

When the prosecution psychiatrists testify he's insane, that's a pretty good sign of whether he is actually insane.

[Seraph]

When the prosecution psychiatrists testify he's insane, that's a pretty good sign of whether he is actually insane.

Clearly just afraid of making him angry.

[Katlan]

Being diagnosed mentally ill is the best way to get around crap like this.. common BG, u all should know this!

Spoiler: show

Or just blame video games

[Avanarius]

Not sure if it directly means anything in court but when someone tells me that I should probably seek medical treatment and deny taking there word for it, it basically means that I'm unable to comprehend my own level of insanity, which defines being insane as a whole. Which happened prior to this event.

But then again who should be legally responsible of the person defined as insane if they're not entirely capable of being aware of there condition themselves.

I assume this is how a majority of these kinds of cases end up...

Just playing devils advocate (aka a lawyer) etc...

I personally think he should be locked up

[0ni0n]

He's gonna be locked up anyway, I mean you can't let someone this crazy loose on the street, or on a bus. Living in a mental institution for an extensive period of time will drive anyone crazy, if he isn't enough already.

[Mizango]

Why didn't Juice just move to Canada?

[Seraph]

Why didn't Juice just move to Canada?

Too cold up there to find the real killer on the golf courses.

[FNH]

this is still blatant manslaughter.

this would be murder not manslaughter based on the culpable mental state of intentional, and not recklessly which would be manslaughter. Anyhow juries always hate insanity pleas and they rarely work, but this is canada.

[Seraph]

this would be murder not manslaughter based on the culpable mental state of intentional, and not recklessly which would be manslaughter. Anyhow juries always hate insanity pleas and they rarely work, but this is canada.

I was referring to it using 'insanity' as a method to describe it as a non intentional crime. Even non intentional crimes are still crimes. I personally feel it's very similar to killing someone while drunk or on drugs, but the key difference is that you choose to inject those things, you can't necessarily choose to be insane.

Either way, the dude needs to disappear forever.

[Tyche]

I was so close to just berating Aurik for his first post, then he came out with the "we should just execute him" gem, and then I remembered why I loved Aurik so much.

[Xiona]

This guy should be medicated, given treatment and evaluated after he is stabilized. Killing him just because he has an illness which was left untreated is just ridiculous. By your standards everyone with Schizophrenia, Bi polar disorder or any other illness that if left untreated results in unpredictable and possibly dangerous outbursts should be put down. People who have these illnesses can and do make contributions to our society.

Can you really in all honesty blame the person who is not grounded in reality? Or should the blame fall upon those who ignored this or even the system which perpetuates this kind of bullshit of "sucks to be you, youre on your own". Where was his choice in his actions?

I do find it funny that you justify killing him because you wont get some sort of monetary reimbursement for the investment haha. Not everything boils down to economics, which might seem impossible to some people. The world isnt black and white, hell even black and white isnt black and white.

The sad part of this is that this incident will fuel more ignorant emotive fuel which people will use to perpetuate the whole "everyone who is mentally ill is dangerous" stereotype to the next generation.

[Avanarius]

This guy should be medicated, given treatment and evaluated after he is stabilized. Killing him just because he has an illness which was left untreated is just ridiculous. By your standards everyone with Schizophrenia, Bi polar disorder or any other illness that if left untreated results in unpredictable and possibly dangerous outbursts should be put down. People who have these illnesses can and do make contributions to our society.

Yes, this, but the key point you missed is that the majority of the cases for these illnesses are treated, and even if not treated, don't end up with the person getting on a bus and decapitating someone.

This was a very very very bad case, and it's hard to make an optimal decision as to what should be done with him and I personally have a feeling that no amount of therapy or medication will "stabilize him".

[OzzofAsura]

Either way, the dude needs to disappear forever.

^ This.

Or we could just give him snuggley wuggley snuggles until he's all better like some people are suggesting. Do you really think he has any potential to be productive? and even if he does, would you want to take the chance? How about he hangs out with one of your family members? That's cool, right?

I think the answer would be different if he lopped off your family member's head and chowed down on a piece.

[Dimmauk]

Too bad they cant send him to Texas.

WHEREAS Texas has executed mentally disabled persons, persons under the age 18 at the time of their offense (in violation of international law), and foreign nationals whose consular rights were violated.

WHEREAS Governor Rick Perry in 2000 vetoed legislation that would ban using the death penalty against mentally retarded persons.

[Xiona]

well thats why i said after being treated and medicated to be evaluated. if when he is as 'normal' and 'safe' as he is going to get with our current system if that is not enough then he should be kept in a place where he of course wont harm anyone else, but still allowed to live out the best life for thats possible for him. we arent in the wild anymore. footing the bill to take care of others who cannot otherwise do so themselves is not a bad thing.

the answer would be the exact same thing if he did this to my family member. would i be happy with this man, not at all. i would understand that he wasnt in control. i dont see him as the disease, i understand exactly what entails of having these illnesses. killing him wont solve anything. this isnt snuggly wuggly so stop being an ass. you can attempt to pass your ignorant judgments until youre blue in the face. its easy to break out the rope because youre mad as hell and cant seem to grasp the idea that its not a clear cut issue and has more facets than you can apparently comprehend.

we take more chances with people who are far more dangerous. people who murdered in cold blood and 100% of their faculties intact are out and about. personally i find someone who is grounded in reality, mentally responsible and able to make decisions who is in favor of killing someone who lost control to a treatable illness far more dangerous than the individual who's illness acted for them in a death.

at least the man with an illness can be treated, ignorance however is something that mankind cant seem to shake.

[thestalkmore]

It's due to the idea that you need to be aware of your actions in order to be truly guilty of a crime:
Mens rea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is interesting to see the reaction to this. I assume most people will think he should be locked up.

I agree with the verdict: if he is sick and did this because he is sick, then when he is not sick then there is no reason to punish him; the system is there for rehabilitation, thus it's pointless to further rehabilitate. Imprisoning him simply for punitive reasons is no more productive than kicking over someone's sandcastle because they accidentally stepped on yours: the only result is more destruction.

Good for you

[Darkprophecy]

God told him to do it. He learned how to kill by playing Video games.

This is such a sad and pathetic excuse.... But how many people really have used it and won... Look at Colimbine shooting etc...