RNG merits question.

[Arthars]

Im a retard because i choose a feasible abilty (recycle). RNG era certainly died off because you guys dont merit recycle.

going to be a fucking nice signature after some edit if you permit

ill go merit stealth and go drink tea and shit for 5 minutes till my timer is up, not a bad idea acttualy. brb.

after all the shits, if you still think stealth is an ability that you should wait and shoot in, then i bet your BLM dont ever nuke until ES is up.

stealth is a bonus. it is not a "omg i can only shoot during this ability". and this bonus obviously outweight your RECYCLE in all direction. even if it sucks, recycle is nowhere near this "sucky" ability

wake up or go back to alla(if you belong there, it all makes sense. if not, ermmmm i dunno)

i havent have such an disagreement with anyone in bg for a long time, and you just made my day. What you said impacted me so much that i laughed at the bin that wrote "Recycle Bin" when i went for lunch.

your all over my brain now.

Leave.

[Tsuki]

;_; i think my IQ just dropped a few points from reading these pungent replies.

I use Ranger for almost exclusively zerging; In fact I don't actually enjoy playing Ranger outside of that feild. Be it BV1-2/DL/ZNMT4/Omega/Kirin/Aniamted Weps...etc. I do not benefit at all from Stealth Shot, in any of these situations; quite simply we utilize Rangers for their strongest points, Rangers simply excel In fast-paced Spike damage situations. In such situations a 5 minute/per shot/-enmity ability really is going to do very little to reduce your total enmity accumulation in light of the sheer amount of damage you will be producing in such a short time. If you think it will, then by all means, merit it. Again, these are all preference moves, we can all agree on the fact that snapshot is the most important. I'd like to know what you are doing as RNG that you get the chance to accumulate so much enmity that you die long before the fight is over.

Also the examples I listed of Recycle being great for accidents are all things that i myself have experienced with af2 hat and a single Recycle merit. So it does proc quite alot, a much better rate then someone quoted earlier as being ~99% chance to process. Its a fact, Recycle merits are good to have for accidents, and accidents happen its just a stroke of bad luck, it shouldn't determine ones skill because they logged back in from d/c and had to shadowbind a mob but they forgot they had equipped PPA before the disconnect. No need to be so petty and childish really. Some of us have actually played Ranger for a very long time, and in that time gained the experience of things like this.

Really though, theres no need to turn such a simple topic into one thats full of immaturity and downright foulness. Try to keep things civil and don't make assumptions of others, nobody needs to wave their e-penis in standard ^^

[Shin Volcano]

going to be a fucking nice signature after some edit if you permit

I'm going to sig your entire posts together which seem to only sum up as blah blah recycle LOL blah blah guysz dooood! i think that's what you said. seriously how old are you o-O

[Shin Volcano]

;_; i think my IQ just dropped a few points from reading these pungent replies.

I use Ranger for almost exclusively zerging; In fact I don't actually enjoy playing Ranger outside of that feild. Be it BV1-2/DL/ZNMT4/Omega/Kirin/Aniamted Weps...etc. I do not benefit at all from Stealth Shot, in any of these situations; quite simply we utilize Rangers for their strongest points, Rangers simply excel In fast-paced Spike damage situations. In such situations a 5 minute/per shot/-enmity ability really is going to do very little to reduce your total enmity accumulation in light of the sheer amount of damage you will be producing in such a short time. If you think it will, then by all means, merit it. Again, these are all preference moves, we can all agree on the fact that snapshot is the most important. I'd like to know what you are doing as RNG that you get the chance to accumulate so much enmity that you die long before the fight is over.

Also the examples I listed of Recycle being great for accidents are all things that i myself have experienced with af2 hat and a single Recycle merit. So it does proc quite alot, a much better rate then someone quoted earlier as being ~99% chance to process. Its a fact, Recycle merits are good to have for accidents, and accidents happen its just a stroke of bad luck, it shouldn't determine ones skill because they logged back in from d/c and had to shadowbind a mob but they forgot they had equipped PPA before the disconnect. No need to be so petty and childish really. Some of us have actually played Ranger for a very long time, and in that time gained the experience of things like this.

Really though, theres no need to turn such a simple topic into one thats full of immaturity and downright foulness. Try to keep things civil and don't make assumptions of others, nobody needs to wave their e-penis in standard ^^

Now see i wish i could have said that....

[Arthars]

I'm going to sig your entire posts together which seem to only sum up as blah blah recycle LOL blah blah guysz dooood! i think that's what you said. seriously how old are you o-O

by all means

[Spider-Dan]

You're a funny dude, i'll give you that, i don't recall a WS on a mob with an ability that makes the mob you are fighting count as "to weak to be worthwile" for that shot "f'ing suck!" but you made me laugh, i like that. yea it's totattly the same as sneak attack, most certantly.

This was the best you could do? Not that it can still miss, not that you can do it from any side... just the damage correction?

Tell me, what do you think the net damage impact is of a forced MELEE crit (on a WS that is otherwise incapable of critting) vs. removing level penalties?

But yeah, I can sleep soundly knowing that my slug just did as much damage as it would have to a TW mob. A TW mob with 500+ defense, but still.

You do realize it stacks with the relic hat and paddock trousers should you choose to use them if you have them right? do the math.

You spectacularly failed to grasp the point.

If THF got a cat2 trait that added 3 seconds per level to Flee duration, even if it stacked with AF feet, do you think they'd be falling all over themselves to merit it? No, because THF actually has worthwhile cat2s to merit.

Want a more topical analogy? Rapid Shot. Not surprisingly, capped Rapid Shot is the same bonus as RNG's sh*tty relic body. Nobody cares, because the rest of RNG's cat1s are so incredibly underwhelming that Rapid Shot basically wins by default. If Sharpshot and Barrage recasts were both meritable, every sane RNG on the planet would merit those two and only those two, and immediately call it a fruitful and productive day. As it is, meriting Sharpshot means one of two things:

1) Congratulations, your reward for your many hours of meriting is to have worse Barrages, since your timers are now desynced
2) Congratulations, your reward for your many hours of meriting is to use Sharpshot with exactly the same frequency as if you had never merited it at all

[Shin Volcano]

[QUOTE=Arthars;2560170]going to be a fucking nice signature after some edit if you permit

after all the shits, if you still think stealth is an ability that you should wait and shoot in, then i bet your BLM dont ever nuke until ES is up.

LOL ok i'm comeplty convinced, you were hit on the head as a child werent you, or was that recently? Elemental seal for magic accuracy is the same as occasinal saved ammo huh?

stealth is a bonus. it is not a "omg i can only shoot during this ability". and this bonus obviously outweight your RECYCLE in all direction. even if it sucks, recycle is nowhere near this "sucky" ability

Ok this one proves just the type of people who merit stealth LOL thanks for making my day with this one

[quote]wake up or go back to alla(if you belong there, it all makes sense. if not, ermmmm i dunno)

i havent have such an disagreement with anyone in bg for a long time, and you just made my day. What you said impacted me so much that i laughed at the bin that wrote "Recycle Bin" when i went for lunch.

Yea, i think i see why now, you make totattly no sense what so ever. so people acttualy don't know what to say.

our all over my brain now.

Leave.

Wait........you have a brain....?

[Arthars]

tbh i think i dont

because im not a recycle person

[Shin Volcano]

This was the best you could do? Not that it can still miss, not that you can do it from any side... just the damage correction?

Tell me, what do you think the net damage impact is of a forced MELEE crit (on a WS that is otherwise incapable of critting) vs. removing level penalties?

Explain to me how a ability that generates less enmity for ONE SHOT EVERY 5 MINUTES compares to a removing level penatly ability for increased damage?

But yeah, I can sleep soundly knowing that my slug just did as much damage as it would have to a TW mob. A TW mob with 500+ defense, but still.

Good job, you realized one truth.

You spectacularly failed to grasp the point.

If THF got a cat2 trait that added 3 seconds per level to Flee duration, even if it stacked with AF feet, do you think they'd be falling all over themselves to merit it? No, because THF actually has worthwhile cat2s to merit.

umm.......we are talking about RNG group 2. that effects there damage. not another jobs ability that effects how fast they run that isn't even related to battle.

Want a more topical analogy? Rapid Shot. Not surprisingly, capped Rapid Shot is the same bonus as RNG's sh*tty relic body. Nobody cares, because the rest of RNG's cat1s are so incredibly underwhelming that Rapid Shot basically wins by default. If Sharpshot and Barrage recasts were both meritable, every sane RNG on the planet would merit those two and only those two, and immediately call it a fruitful and productive day. As it is, meriting Sharpshot means one of two things:

Yea. i was totattly talking about group 1 merits. and yea by all means, anyone who has a 75 rng should only merit those 2 and nothing else, just leave those stacke dup merits right where they are because you say so.

1) Congratulations, your reward for your many hours of meriting is to have worse Barrages, since your timers are now desynced
2) Congratulations, your reward for your many hours of meriting is to use Sharpshot with exactly the same frequency as if you had never merited it at all

Not quite sure on this one, did you just tell anyone with RNG as there main job to go fuck them self basicaly?

[Arthars]

umm.......we are talking about RNG group 2. that effects there damage. not another jobs ability that effects how fast they run that isn't even related to battle.

i think we got a winner. hes talking about recycle the entire time that its actually related to battle?

im gotta stop here. because my brain is dead. oh wait, i dont have 1

and that is because im not a recycle person

adios, enjoy your recycle defending and education when more people wakes up.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Explain to me how a ability that generates less enmity for ONE SHOT EVERY 5 MINUTES compares to a removing level penatly ability for increased damage?

Gladly. Using Stealth shot for /one/ Sidewinder allows you to shoot anywhere from approximately six to ten more shots than you would have otherwise been unable to because you pulled hate that much sooner. Last time I checked, that would amount to more than the few hundred more damage a Sidewinder unaffected by level correction that you can perform every ten minutes would have contributed.

[Deader2818]

Doesnt it really come down to what you do with Ranger?

If you just do zergs on RNG, then Stealth isnt going to really help a whole lot. If you are doing zergs, prob using cannon shells so Recycle would be more useful over all to you.

If you use RNG for HNMS (believe it or not, not everyone in the game does HNMs) Then I'd say Stealth Shot would help more.

Just my 2 cents.

[Shin Volcano]

Doesnt it really come down to what you do with Ranger?

If you just do zergs on RNG, then Stealth isnt going to really help a whole lot. If you are doing zergs, prob using cannon shells so Recycle would be more useful over all to you.

If you use RNG for HNMS (believe it or not, not everyone in the game does HNMs) Then I'd say Stealth Shot would help more.

Just my 2 cents.

Yes it does, i'm glad somone finnaly realized that, rarely do i even see rngs do HNMs anymore because they ussualy have other jobs that serve them better, RNG DOES feed alot of TP fast, and for Most HNMs that's ussualy very bad.

Only one that RNGs are highly desired on is Dark Ixion, and anyone that has fought him knows he needs to die as quickly as possible, and you certainly don't time to wait 5 minutes for stealth to be up just to WS him and barrage is nerfed on him anyway.

[Zilong]

yea im pretty sad now because extra damage and giving myself bonus lesser enmity every 3 mins barrage/WS is nowhere near comparable to recycle ; ;

saving arrows is the way to go. drop your enmity gears, or uber str gears guys

go grab recycle gears before people start selling AF2 cap for 5m in jeuno

I'm in no way promoting the recycle merits.

I just find the amount of justification people throw in for the ability fucking laughable.

Sure it's better than recycle, but doesn't make those abilities any less waste of merit, IMO anyway.

[ryskar]

I always get flamed for saying that, but it's so true. Same thing for Ninja Tool Expertise.

I hate this kind of crap.. I'm a 75 ninja and decently geared, but I like to save money where possible. I'm generally poor as hell, but I was able to play ninja because I farmed between experience parties. I have other jobs I can merit on, and they got me NTE.

Don't assume people are wealthy because they are leveling a consumable-using job or have good gear. All of my gil goes into my gear...

[Tsuki]

tbh i think i dont

because im not a recycle person

You're like all over the place in this thread. First you have recycle merits, then you're changing them, now you're not a recycle person. Sorry but you seem kinda flakey and like your just wanting to have a flame war or something Q_Q why can't you just state your opinion once and be done with it instead of trying to force your insecurities on others? Who cares what people merit besides snapshot in that category they're all pretty lame besides that... postcount+1 much?

[Shin Volcano]

I ignored him comepletly after his post...it just got pointless after that.....anyone with multiple jobs will realize that NEITHER are worth the merits in the end, they are better off going towards other jobs, it was just a matter of if RNG is your main job what else would they go into besides snapshot.

[Arthars]

ya ya watever makes you both happy.

Hi tsuki, your page 1 post are pretty win btw.

cheers

You're like all over the place in this thread. Sorry but you seem kinda flakey and like your just wanting to have a flame war or something Q_Q why can't you just state your opinion once and be done with it instead of trying to force your insecurities on others?

say that to your lede too kthxbye

I ignored him comepletly after his post...it just got pointless after that.....anyone with multiple jobs will realize that NEITHER are worth the merits in the end

and wow, you ignored me really? you are like all over the place with your recycle everytime i bash it. and you ignored me? and what a sudden shift of attitude after your entire garbage of text in both pages. You realise NEITHER are worth the merits? really? why all the recycle shits then.

i have to hand it to you. your really persistent. and to end reader's misery, ima go do recycle merits 5/5 now. Kudos to you. And see ya, leave me alone lol

You step on my tail, and i'll step on yours. And look, im leaving your tail alone now, so please do likewise. Your a retard to me, and im a retard to you, it doesnt matter but the line is drawn here and hope not to see you in ifrit or even dallas lol

[Shin Volcano]

i'm not sure how you are "bashing" if you mean making make-no-sense posts then i guess so? i'm not sure why i'm even responding to you anymore,i think i'm acttualy losing Intellegence talking to you.... seriously WTF are you even talking about??? oh man my head is going to explode..

[Spider-Dan]

Explain to me how a ability that generates less enmity for ONE SHOT EVERY 5 MINUTES compares to a removing level penatly ability for increased damage?

Because both of them suck, vis-a-vis their recast, which is entirely too long to be of any real use.

umm.......we are talking about RNG group 2. that effects there damage. not another jobs ability that effects how fast they run that isn't even related to battle.

Recycle affects your damage? Do explain.