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[Terrestrialrage]

I really wish people who tip like crap knew how much even leaving a decent tip of 15% makes someone's day that much better. I'm currently a waiter working my way through college etc., same story. We make $2.13 an hour, after taxes on our claimed tips, 90% of the time that comes out to nothing anyways, so what we make is based entirely on our tips. If you're not going to tip, McDonalds is a half a block a way, enjoy your Big Mac. It is frustrating having to deal with people who have a sense of entitlement about them, where everything they need should be gotten immediately, and then don't think they have to tip because they're above it. If I directly made your meal unenjoyable, by all means leave nothing, but damnit if I work hard for you to enjoy your night out with the family/wife/GF, quit being stingy and leave a decent tip. As one poster above said, it should be a given cost of the experience, you should expect to tip, as you would in alot of situations where people provide a service.

*Beating a dead horse* Tip, for all our sakes.

[Dimmauk]

Come on baby leave some change behind
she was a bitch, but I don't care
she brought our food out on time
and wore a funky barrette in her hair

Come on baby leave some change behind
she was a bitch but good enough
to leave some change,
everybody's good enough for some change
.
the girl's got family
she needs cash to buy aspirin for her pain,
everybody's good enough for some change
.
we all get the flu,
we all get aids
we've got to stick together after all,
everybody's good enough for some change,
SOME FUCKING CHANGE!!!

[Jefe]

Bingo. The tip for a waiter is part of the cost of the food. If you can't afford a 15% tip for decent service, don't eat at the restaurant. Cook at home or go to McDonald's.

Lol, yeah right fuck that. I don't think it's my responsibility to pay for their salaries. Don't like the job or dealing w/ people who don't tip your ass? Find a better job say @ mc... but wait, there's gotta be a reason why they didn't opt to work there, gee I wonder why... Btw, why wouldn't you tip someone at mc? Is it because of their shitty minimum wage, or because they don't kiss your ass to get the tip?

[Day]

Lol, yeah right fuck that. I don't think it's my responsibility to pay for their salaries. Don't like the job or dealing w/ people who don't tip your ass? Find a better job say @ mc... but wait, there's gotta be a reason why they didn't opt to work there, gee I wonder why... Btw, why wouldn't you tip someone at mc? Is it because of their shitty minimum wage, or because they don't kiss your ass to get the tip?

Just leave the damn dollar Mr. Pink.
http://media.monstersandcritics.com/...doesnottip.jpg

[Charismatic]

I don't tip.

[Day]

Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip?
Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make shit.
Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a fucking Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, our girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was okay. She wasn't anything special.
Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and suck your dick?
Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that.

Mr. Pink: I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.

[Jefe]

Shit for a second I thought this was the spam.

[Byrd]

Btw, why wouldn't you tip someone at mc? Is it because of their shitty minimum wage, or because they don't kiss your ass to get the tip?

Because they don't bring your food to your table, check with your throughout the meal to see if everything is good, refill your drinks, etc. Their only service is to stand behind the counter and get you your food, to do the bare minimum. Everything else is up to you.

The ~15% tip you're paying for is the premium to sit down, have your order taken at your table by a waiter, have your food brought to you, have your drinks refilled, your table cleaned when you're done or whatever. None of these services are provided at McDonald's.

The McDonald's I worked at years ago had a policy against employees accepting tips. I don't know if that was a local franchise policy, or a corporate policy, but it was certainly in place. Once I became a manager, I had a personal policy of employees allowed to accept tips if they had informed the customer they weren't allowed to accept tips and the customer insisted. It happened a half-dozen times or so in a couple of years -- the most memorable was one employee who earned a $20 tip for changing some old lady's tire. He tried to insist several times he wasn't allowed to take tips, but finally the old lady got my attention and insisted he accept. I sure as hell wasn't going to take that away from him. The dude was a shitty employee, but he damn sure earned that $20.

I've always thought the world would be a better place if everyone had to live off tips for 3 months.

I don't begrudge people who don't tip at Starbucks, or any other shops where they pretty much do what McDonald's people do, but are allowed to throw out a tip jar and collect tips. I often tip those people if they do a great job, but I don't feel there's any obligation there. If you're a sit down restaurant, though, it's part of the meal. Same thing if someone brings food to your house via delivery. Unless they do a shitty job, it's part of the meal cost.

I'm in a position at my job where vendors frequently take me out to lunch, trying to sell me product. One of the things I look for with potential vendors is how much they tip -- if they are a shitty tipper, I'm less likely to buy their product, because they're likely to nickel and dime me to death.

I'm not a judgmental person -- I don't care how you vote, how old you are, who you're sleeping with, who you like to sleep with, if you cheat on your taxes, whether you like WoW better than FFXI, what sports team you root for, whatever, etc. None of these, in my opinion, reflect on a person's character.

But not tipping? That's a big red flag to me that this person is, at best, cheap and selfish and can use their own internal moral clock to justify about any self-serving interest they desire.

[Charismatic]

Adhereing to your own set of morals makes you cheap and selfish, gotcha.

[Byrd]

Adhereing to your own set of morals makes you cheap and selfish, gotcha.

Nope, not what I said at all. Not tipping (when you should) makes you cheap and selfish. It's a sign to me that your level of self-serving interest is going to make you either a bad business partner or a shitty friend.

[Charismatic]

The part in the parenthesis conflicts what you are saying in your first sentence.
Who is the one to determine when you should tip?

Apparently it's you, eh?

[arus2001]

It's funny, too, if you become a regular to a business where tipping takes place and you do it well, everyone will practically be head over heels getting shit to you quickly and properly. Was always fun getting orders to some people in under 20 minutes when I used to deliver pizza and they'd be like, "Holy shit, that was fast!" and gave a five. Think the best tip I ever got for a delivery was something like 32 bucks. Things like that make going home early if business was slow a bit more tolerable.

However, I can also sympathize from the customer perspective in things being late or botched. Part of the delivery process is simply managing your staff efficiently. If you've only got two drivers and like 4 deliveries, 3 in one area and the other in the completely opposite direction, send one driver off with the 3 and just keep in mind to reverse the situation the next time around. Sometimes after 9pm, though, when I was the only driver, situations like that couldn't be avoided. And if I did something like grab the wrong kind of pop, I'd tell them to keep the mistake, drive down to the closest Convenient mart, buy what they wanted out of my own pocket, and then take it back to them. Odds are the money I lost in gas going totally back to the store and back would've been similar to a $1.49 2 liter, anyway. Plus it'd just set me back in time on any other possible deliveries that came in while I was out.

Something to also keep in mind for delivery drivers is they're often using their own car to work for you. At the time, I was dealing with $5.15 minimum wage and gas was starting to creep up to $2.50 a gallon. In a busy hour, I was easily blowing my wage just to get stuff around. Eventually, you'd have expenses like new tires, frequent oil changes, brakes from all the stop-and-go, or in my case, a couple exhaust systems because the roads are so bad around here that I'd bottomed out one too many times in the dark.

It's easy to think these guys are doing very little, but odds are they're likely also trying to do dishes, fold boxes, handle trash, make sauce, help manage stock, take orders, and then some all between hopping in and out of their car. Without tips, all menu items may as well be jacked up in price or enforce delivery charges so the guy can get a higher wage to justify his time. And while it's easy to just tell them to go and get another job if they don't like it, nowadays it isn't so simple when there are lot more looking for work and businesses cutting back on man hours if not laying people off entirely.

Knowing this, it's actually pretty rare I get pissed at the help. Shit happens and their lives won't improve if I feel like going medieval on 'em. I always get embarrassed if I'm eating out with my folks and something comes up during the dining. They'll bitch about coupons, about stuff not being cut/cooked just the right way, and so on. All I can really do is look at whomever's receiving their wrath with an "I'm sorry they're assholes..." look on my face. However, if the service is legitimately bad, then I just make note to not go back for a while unless it's something that really needs to be addressed on the spot like potential health code violations.

[TheShadyMan]

Tipping has a time and a place, you don't have to tip every time, but you shouldn't just not tip.

[Charismatic]

Tipping has a time and a place, you don't have to tip every time, but you shouldn't just not tip.

This.

I am not obligated to tip, that's why it's not part of the price.

[Seraph]

I'm in a position at my job where vendors frequently take me out to lunch, trying to sell me product. One of the things I look for with potential vendors is how much they tip -- if they are a shitty tipper, I'm less likely to buy their product, because they're likely to nickel and dime me to death.

Or they are overcharging you because they take their new clients out to lunch and tip too much.

[Cheerios]

10.99 x-large pizza
+tax
+delivery
+tip

Nigga's runnin me close to $20 for 1 pizza. Fuck that.

[TheShadyMan]

Then get your ass out of your chair and go pick it up you lazy asshat.

[Byrd]

Who is the one to determine when you should tip?

10-15% is the standard tip for any sit down meal. There's no argument about that -- it's taught in public schools from your first field trip in 7th grade when you're on your own for dinner. I'm certainly not making that up. I know I tip heavy, but I'm not expecting other people to adhere to MY standards, just those set by societal norms.

Is there some gray area? Sure. Does a buffet count where they pretty much do nothing but write up what you ordered and clean your empty plates mid-meal? Up to you. Does Starbucks count? Up to you. Wikipedia (yeah, I know, anyone can edit lolWiki) has an interesting and lengthy page about it.

But for a full-service sit down restaurant where all you have to do is sit at your table and stuff your face, 15% should be your starting guide. Go up or down depending on your level of service or whatnot, but you should plan on starting at 10-15% tip, not looking for excuses not to pay your tip.

[Charismatic]

This is exactly where I expected you to go, you're pretty much admitting that no one should have their own morals.


'Always adhere to societial norms, or obviously you are a bad person.' is all I read from that post.

[Byrd]

Or they are overcharging you because they take their new clients out to lunch and tip too much.

Valid point, but in my line of work, it's easy for me to judge pricing impartially, as I'm almost always comparing pricing with other vendors. Service is something you have to make a judgment on based on the person you're dealing with, and it's hard to get a bead on that before you're already committed. And I'd rather have people who are providing me a service overtip than undertip.