Salvage ZR 4F froggy

[kamilus]

I know here is ZR topic, but... hard to find something specific on 87 pages ; _ ;
And now after updates - you can't reset 4th floor anymore. Madame will just depop.
Sooo.... how to do it in noob squad to reach 4F in 29 and half minutes and then how to pull madame alone? Sac pull?
We are doing it low numbers (6-8).
Is it possible to do any farm on run related to 4F frog? >.>
Or it's 4F + boss now only?

[fndragon]

I know here is ZR topic, but... hard to find something specific on 87 pages ; _ ;
And now after updates - you can't reset 4th floor anymore. Madame will just depop.
Sooo.... how to do it in noob squad to reach 4F in 29 and half minutes and then how to pull madame alone? Sac pull?
We are doing it low numbers (6-8).
Is it possible to do any farm on run related to 4F frog? >.>
Or it's 4F + boss now only?

It depends on your speed, luck, and coordination. It also depends what you want to do. 4F and boss is easiest, since you only farm what you need. 4F and 5F means you need 3 full unlocks, which means you're stuck on floor 2 for a while. You'll need to skip the first set of mamool and fight the 2nd set and hope for 3 MP cells while your runner goes to the correct teleporter.

So yes, you'll have to kill the 4th floor frog before you farm 4th floor rampart/recycling for the stat cells. Is this what you're asking?

And yes, to pull the Madame alone you can sac the room. She's a blm so she often gets stuck towards the back of the pack casting spells when you link her.

Honestly, my group just clears the 4th floor room until we can pull her, and then call it a night. It's not worth the headache of rushing rushing rushing only to get boned on cells. (to us at least).

[Killkenny]

You won't manage f4 + f5 f6 boss unless you're fast (6-8 people isn't low numbers and I personally despise taking more than 6 people in but 7 works fine also, 8 would mean someone is probably going to be sitting around doing very little the whole run depending on their job).

To manage f4 and 5+6 you need to be porting up from floor 1 in 6-8 mins, f2 in 23-25mins and obviously f3 at the 29minute mark. Unless your group can achieve these times it would be better to just farm some extra gear and then reload f4 a few times after killing frog for stats and hp/mp then do boss.

As for the pull itself, our thf shoots a random frog, linking the whole room then runs back down and uses hide or tonko/oil to get past the mamools into the rampart room, by then the frogs usually deaggro after having just passed the porter which you zoned up to. One of your melees should voke/chi the madame off as it comes down (being careful not to link any frogs that happen to deaggro) and fight in the hall to the porter to next floor.

If you are unsure then just have someone sack and survive until the puller can get the madame away from the rest.

[FailureMidgard]

2 AoE sleeps is enough to generally isolate the Madame...just dia her after the sleeps, run down the stairs, tank grabs it, then the mage can log. A rdm/blm can CS and sleepga twice, or a scholar can just sleep-ga then sleep2-ga (we generally use a scholar).

We usually clear the mamool room first, then fight the madame there, mage can die on porter side if he has to die...prefer to have more room for fighting frogs, in general.

[Uzor]

You can farm 4F before you kill the frog, but you can't redo the floor before you kill the frog.

Either way, this should not be a problem if you plan on doing 4 + 5 + 6, as 4F doesn't drop MP cells, so I'm assuming you're only farming 4F for the few stat cells you're missing, so you should already have MP and HP unlocked which are the only important stat cells for killing 4F frog.

[Killkenny]

Yes forgot you can kill the mamools before, on the occassion we do f4 we have managed to farm the first 3 rooms on f3 so normally have no more use for stats

[kamilus]

Thank you for advices. I will test it out at monday