Time to ban bows and arrows

[Melchiah]

Woman in NYC struck in the midsection by... an arrow.

MSNBC

Time to throw bows and arrows in with the assault weapons and the upcoming term "sniper rifles" categories which will face heavy scrutiny in the coming administration.

Arrows can reach ranges of 300 yards or more, according to the article, which puts them in the same range of .308 and .3006 rifles which are being included in the term sniper rifle in upcoming weapon legislation.

It's like this: Weapons do not become obsolete, only tactics do. A longbowman can drop a target well outside of pistol range with a silent weapon that can be made at home.

Hate to re-ignite the gun debate again, but I saw this and had to pass it along.

Any takers on a betting pool on how long it takes the ultra-liberals to get butthurt and start crying for a total weapons ban in America?

[kuronosan]

I dunno but I'm not giving up my archery just because some stupid fuck can't properly use a bow.

[BadKarma]

I would shake the guys hand for being able to hit a target that far away, with a bow and arrow.

[Skjie]

Hey, they're trying to do it in Canada!

Layton lays out NDP's plan to combat Vancouver's 'arms race'

[Blarg]

If that lady had a bow too this wouldn't have happened. A shield would have probably worked too, or 2 layers of chainmail.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Obligatory 'bitch had it coming'.

[kuronosan]

See, this is what happens when hume females don't equip enough AGI gear.

Fuck that, no one's taking my bow away.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Any takers on a betting pool on how long it takes the ultra-liberals to get butthurt and start crying for a total weapons ban in America?

Pre-emptive crying ftw


Difference between a multiple victim tragedy at the hands of guns, plus years of statistics backing up our case against guns, and an isolated bow and arrow incident.

Also..

I would shake the guys hand for being able to hit a target that far away, with a bow and arrow.

What this guy said.

[Guyverarmor]

Throw some Melf's Acid Arrow on that bitch!

*reference to AD&D spell* >.>

[Silenka]

I dunno but I'm not giving up my archery just because some stupid fuck can't properly use a bow.

^

Just went out and shot with my neighbor today. We somehow managed to not kill anything.

[Melchiah]

Pre-emptive crying ftw


Difference between a multiple victim tragedy at the hands of guns, plus years of statistics backing up our case against guns, and an isolated bow and arrow incident.

Also..



What this guy said.

Ok, I am not going to get adversarial with you this time around, but I do want to discuss this.

This incident is currently suspected to be the result of a reckless discharge, as opposed to an intentional shooting. Isolated yes, but the point remains that idiots are going to be idiots with or without guns.

I was just reading some statistics from this page relating to gun prevalence, safety training and reported gun violence.

Paraphrasing, in 1998 there were 9755 firearm homicides reported to the FBI. 40% of those were the result of an argument, where a gun happened to be within reach. Furthermore, there were 17424 firearm suicides in 1998. That breaks the statistics up into appropriate categories rather than citing "over 25000 firearm deaths in a given year."

For the first point, a gunshot wound is generally more lethal in nature than a knife wound, however I think it's likely that in arguments between the type of people who would shoot each other, if a knife was handy instead of a gun it would be used to settle the issue. I think the real issue at hand is that the immediate lethality of a gunshot wound skews perception of the violence of the crime. The only difference between a large caliber gunshot wound and a knife wound is the energy involved.

For the second point, suicide rates have long been lumped into gun crime statistics to skew the numbers and inflate the statistics. In 1998, the firearm suicide rate was almost double the firearm homicide rate. The article goes on to include that most of those suicides were committed with weapons already owned rather than purchased for that explicit use, however I contend that someone who is ready to kill themselves will in the absence of a firearm find other means that are just as lethal. Hanging, jumping, bleeding out, ingesting poisons etc.

A bow and arrow are absolutely as lethal as any conventional firearm, moreso than most pistols because of the range. Bows and arrows can be made without machinery, manufactured primers, chemical explosives, or even metal. They can be made with shit you find in nature. You aren't going to legislate good sense and humanity. Tragedies will happen as a result of the actions of the colossally stupid or ill-mannered.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I'm still looking for a set of homicide statistics that relate homicide per population unit to population density. I'm of the opinion that such a data set will strengthen my hypothesis that homicide rates increase with population density rather than population.

[Pikarya]

Come get some sluts.

YouTube - marksman 100% accurate.

[Dareus]

Quick question, how many people walk around with Bow and arrow daily for self-defense?

Edit: Or want to for that matter.

[Silenka]

Quick question, how many people walk around with Bow and arrow daily for self-defense?

Edit: Or want to for that matter.

I want to. I hate guns.

[Melchiah]

Fair enough, allow me to answer that with another question:

How many people carry around .308, .3006 or .50 caliber rifles for defense? Those calibers are being placed in a new, broader category from assault weapons called "sniper rifles" which is being considered for legislation in the near future.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Ok, I am not going to get adversarial with you this time around, but I do want to discuss this.

This incident is currently suspected to be the result of a reckless discharge, as opposed to an intentional shooting. Isolated yes, but the point remains that idiots are going to be idiots with or without guns.

Agreed.

I was just reading some statistics from this page relating to gun prevalence, safety training and reported gun violence.

Paraphrasing, in 1998 there were 9755 firearm homicides reported to the FBI. 40% of those were the result of an argument, where a gun happened to be within reach. Furthermore, there were 17424 firearm suicides in 1998. That breaks the statistics up into appropriate categories rather than citing "over 25000 firearm deaths in a given year."

For the first point, a gunshot wound is generally more lethal in nature than a knife wound, however I think it's likely that in arguments between the type of people who would shoot each other, if a knife was handy instead of a gun it would be used to settle the issue. I think the real issue at hand is that the immediate lethality of a gunshot wound skews perception of the violence of the crime. The only difference between a large caliber gunshot wound and a knife wound is the energy involved.

I think it's alot more complex than this. Yes, in a heated argument someone is bound to grab something with the intention to harm. A knife not only less lethal, it is easier to defend against. Swinging a knife at someone in a blind rage can have such a huge rate of failure by simply sidestepping, defending yourself, or the terrain.

So going to have to disagree with you on the point that the only difference is the energy involved.

For the second point, suicide rates have long been lumped into gun crime statistics to skew the numbers and inflate the statistics. In 1998, the firearm suicide rate was almost double the firearm homicide rate. The article goes on to include that most of those suicides were committed with weapons already owned rather than purchased for that explicit use, however I contend that someone who is ready to kill themselves will in the absence of a firearm find other means that are just as lethal. Hanging, jumping, bleeding out, ingesting poisons etc.

My argument isn't suicide, I agree that someone intent on killing themselves will still find a way. I think that the suicide rate will go down if guns are banned only because some people make hasty decisions ( as with gun crimes ) that they wouldn't be capable of making without the presence of a gun ( self-inflicted accidents included ).

But in the end I do not think suicide is a case for gun control, so I partially agree with you there.

A bow and arrow are absolutely as lethal as any conventional firearm, moreso than most pistols because of the range. Bows and arrows can be made without machinery, manufactured primers, chemical explosives, or even metal. They can be made with shit you find in nature. You aren't going to legislate good sense and humanity. Tragedies will happen as a result of the actions of the colossally stupid or ill-mannered.

I see what you're saying, but I can't hear you. In countries with strict gun laws bow and arrow crimes don't increase. It takes more skill and strength to be effective with a bow, much less to make one from scratch. It took hundreds of thousands of years for primitive man to perfect hunting with a spear and then using bows and arrows. So I don't find this a likely scenario of rampaging Rambo's if guns were not around.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I'm still looking for a set of homicide statistics that relate homicide per population unit to population density. I'm of the opinion that such a data set will strengthen my hypothesis that homicide rates increase with population density rather than population.

Not sure if I've ever seen anything that specific, and I'm sure that if one of us does it won't be a federal report but a biased one from a pro or anti gun website.

[Sol-Blackguy]

Quick question, how many people walk around with Bow and arrow daily for self-defense?

Edit: Or want to for that matter.

I think they were discussing this on the Big O and Dukes show during the whole gun ban in DC. Chad Dukes said he would keep a longbow on hand if someone tries to break in his house if he can't have a gun.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Fair enough, allow me to answer that with another question:

How many people carry around .308, .3006 or .50 caliber rifles for defense? Those calibers are being placed in a new, broader category from assault weapons called "sniper rifles" which is being considered for legislation in the near future.

I think the DC snipers just scared the shit out of way too many people for someone not to try and pass that legislation. It seems irrational on the broader scale, but a mass murder spree has been carried out with the tactic of sniping and regardless of the weapon used it got people spooked on sniper rifles.

[HAcoreRD]

did she get eagle eye shot?

or did she encounter this man?

http://api.ning.com/files/TgkDotnqJE...by_cat_cat.jpg

[Gilhaven]

I'm Canadian...don't even talk to me about gun control. Americans are ALLOWED to carry a concealed handgun on college campuses now. I need to call the local RCMP detatchment...let them know i'm going to the gun range...what time I expect to be there...how long im there for...when im coming home etc.etc. I'm not even allowed to stop and get gas if i have a gun in my posession. So...ya.