Shooting teens was like spilling milk

[Neosutra]

I was talking about everyone in the military, not the ones in combat duty. Not everyone in the military is killing people, watching friends die, etc...

I have family and friends in combat duty, and they have fucked up stories about their time in the middle east. I appreciate what the troops are doing. I also know that they knew what they were getting into, and wont be playing the victim when they get back.

This is the mentality that gets people killed and keeps soldiers from getting the support they need. This is the reason our suicide rate has been getting worse. We breed an athmosphere of spartan solidarity where mental stress is considered weakness, and even if a soldier attempts to seek help when they get back (or while they are deployed), they are shunned and considered to be self-victimizing cowards. Your statement of "everyone" in the military is irrelevant as we already talked about taking care of ALL of our soldiers, and not just the 80% that never get to see combat. Not to mention that just being away from your family for year+ at a time is damaging enough for some people (especially when you have a high probability of coming home to an empty house).

The "they know what they are getting themselves into" is a bullshit response from cowards that not only have no fucking clue what they are talking about, but really could care less about the continued welfare of our warfighters. You make me sick.

[Dimmauk]

This is the mentality that gets people killed and keeps soldiers from getting the support they need. This is the reason our suicide rate has been getting worse. We breed an athmosphere of spartan solidarity where mental stress is considered weakness, and even if a soldier attempts to seek help when they get back (or while they are deployed), they are shunned and considered to be self-victimizing cowards. Your statement of "everyone" in the military is irrelevant as we already talked about taking care of ALL of our soldiers, and not just the 80% that never get to see combat. Not to mention that just being away from your family for year+ at a time is damaging enough for some people (especially when you have a high probability of coming home to an empty house).

The "they know what they are getting themselves into" is a bullshit response from cowards that not only have no fucking clue what they are talking about, but really could care less about the continued welfare of our warfighters. You make me sick.

My grandfather(Marines) and step dad(Army Nurse) fought in wars, and they have horrible stories. My grandfather was an alcoholic from the time he got out of the military till he died. I agree that people do get traumatized. I didnt join the military because of the things they talked about. I'm glad I didnt. I've seen first hand what War can do to a family so I do know what I'm talking about. You need to get off your fucking high horse.

I also have have 4 cousin in combat duty currently, and I worry about them all the time.

[Neosutra]

My grandfather(Marines) and step dad(Army Nurse) fought in wars, and they have horrible stories. My grandfather was an alcoholic from the time he got out of the military till he died. I agree that people do get traumatized. I didnt join the military because of the things they talked about. I'm glad I didnt. I've seen first hand what War can do to a family so I do know what I'm talking about. You need to get off your fucking high horse.

Glad to see you didnt learn anything from either of them.

They didnt get any support/help, so fuck everyone else right?

It isnt my high horse either, its me caring for my troops and wanting to slit the throat of people that play that bullshit "they know what they signed up for, so fuck em if they get messed up" card. You should know better, and dont get to get upset when people call you on your hypocrisy.

[Dimmauk]

So whenever something happends to someone that has a dangerous job(Steve Irwin, tower dogs, crab fishermen, stuntmen, policemen, firemen), its not their fault?

I'd also like to see you try to slit my throat tough guy. I've fought plenty of military "badasses" and they are all fucking talk.

[Neosutra]

So whenever something happends to someone that has a dangerous job(Steve Irwin, tower dogs, crab fishermen, stuntmen, policemen, firemen), its not their fault?

I'd also like to see you try to slit my throat tough guy. I've fought plenty of military "badasses" and they are all fucking talk.

I said its people that say those things that make me want to slit their throat, and I would love for you to say that to me in person Mr. Ethug. But perhaps its just my "victim" mentality from being deployed last time that causes me to be aggressive.

No one here is saying aggressive behavior and resultant violence isnt the fault of the originator, we are saying that we need better programs that prevent this and support our troops. You are a cock sucking piece of shit if your only contribution to this is "fuck supporting our troops, they knew what they were getting into". You have nothing to add to this but a revelation of your own cowardiss for not wanting to serve that shines through in every post you make, and your disdain for the people that do serve echos in every response you have.

But then again us military types are all talk right? And you just didnt want to serve because it was too "hard" on your poor dad =/. Poor guy, let me get you another tampon.

[Elvis]

This is worse then me and Kuya being the only ones talking in the Israel/Palestine thread.

EDIT: and aids

[Dimmauk]

I said its people that say those things that make me want to slit their throat, and I would love for you to say that to me in person Mr. Ethug. But perhaps its just my "victim" mentality from being deployed last time that causes me to be aggressive.

No one here is saying aggressive behavior and resultant violence isnt the fault of the originator, we are saying that we need better programs that prevent this and support our troops. You are a cock sucking piece of shit if your only contribution to this is "fuck supporting our troops, they knew what they were getting into". You have nothing to add to this but a revelation of your own cowardiss for not wanting to serve that shines through in every post you make, and your disdain for the people that do serve echos in every response you have.

But then again us military types are all talk right? And you just didnt want to serve because it was too "hard" on your poor dad =/. Poor guy, let me get you another tampon.

I think its hilarious that you tried to Ethug me with your "Slit you throat" comment, and now you are backpedaling after I called you out. And i'm the coward?

I never said I dont support the troops. I don't feel sorry for them though. I do think it is hypocritical of you to say that about my stepdad. I guess the program we need is a tampon program for all those troops that the war is too hard on. Who knows if my grandpa and my stepdad just had more support and a Shrink, they would had been just fine. Maybe if the shooter would have had more help, tampons, and shrinks nobody would have died.

Now i'm going to sit back and wait for you to play the "enjoy your freedom i gave you" card.

[Neosutra]

I guess the program we need is a tampon program for all those troops that the war is too hard on.

You deserve a bullet to the fucking face. Im ending this debate because you are a piece of shit that is doing nothing but shitting on the people that you could never hold a candle too. Im sorry you didnt cut it, Im sorry you are too much of a coward to make the hard decisions, and Im sorry you feel that the people that do make these sacrifices deserve nothing but our disdain.

Ive never actually hated anyone over the internet beyond slight annoyance at stupidity, but I would end your pathetic cowardiss existance if I knew where you lived.

[Devek]

rage!

[Demosthenes11]

I will end you

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[Dimmauk]

You deserve a bullet to the fucking face. Im ending this debate because you are a piece of shit that is doing nothing but shitting on the people that you could never hold a candle too. Im sorry you didnt cut it, Im sorry you are too much of a coward to make the hard decisions, and Im sorry you feel that the people that do make these sacrifices deserve nothing but our disdain.

Ive never actually hated anyone over the internet beyond slight annoyance at stupidity, but I would end your pathetic cowardiss existance if I knew where you lived.

You're just mad cause you are hypocrite, and you know it. So you are lashing out at me. It's ok, you just need a big hug. I never wanted to join the military, it wasn't a hard decision. I told you I support the troops, I even support you. I also dont feel sorry for the troops having to be there since its your job. If you didnt choose the be there I would feel bad, but you joined/Sacrificed willingly.

Have you ever saved someone's life? I have. Have you ever stared into someone's eyes(not the police) as they have a gun in your face? I have.

I do think its funny that a tough guy is so sensitive. You should go see a shrink about your anger management.

[thestalkmore]

Cowardiss (n): An insult proffered by a coward retreating from an aggressor/attacker.

[Neosutra]

You're just mad cause you are hypocrite, and you know it. So you are lashing out at me. It's ok, you just need a big hug. I never wanted to join the military, it wasn't a hard decision. I told you I support the troops, I even support you. I also dont feel sorry for the troops having to be there since its your job. If you didnt choose the be there I would feel bad, but you joined/Sacrificed willingly.

Have you ever saved someone's life? I have. Have you ever stared into someone's eyes(not the police) as they have a gun in your face? I have.

I do think its funny that a tough guy is so sensitive. You should go see a shrink about your anger management.

You are arguing against feeling bad for people being deployed when NO ONE asked for pity for that. We specifically stated that we need to provide the support for the families of our deployed soldiers and the soldiers themselves. This has nothing to do with "feeling bad for them". Not providing mental/family care for a soldier deployed is just as bad as not providing medical care for a wounded soldier in Iraq. You are delluding the point to mask the fact that you openly insulted the idea of helping soldiers that are deployed and soldiers that are returning from deployment because "they knew what they were getting into". You are a pathetic excuse for a human whom couldnt make it through the trials that your grandfather and stepfather suffered, and spend your time insulting the people that do instead.

And yes, I have saved a life or 2, because it's my job. Ive also had several weapons pointed at me and had to make the decision to end another person's life instead of mine (not really a touch decision). I knew what I was getting into, and I dealt with the family stress of my last deployment and am dealing with the stress of my second deployment coming up. That being said, I also have to deal with seeing my troops go through hell and lose their wives/children/friends, then come back and have nothing to rely on once the army washes their hands of them. Buy hey, fuck em right? Dimmauk believes our soldiers dont need support, so let em burn. You sound like you've had a real tough life man, we wouldnt want to burden you with concern for our soldiers, because they are all talk right?

[Dimmauk]

You are arguing against feeling bad for people being deployed when NO ONE asked for pity for that. We specifically stated that we need to provide the support for the families of our deployed soldiers and the soldiers themselves. This has nothing to do with "feeling bad for them". Not providing mental/family care for a soldier deployed is just as bad as not providing medical care for a wounded soldier in Iraq. You are delluding the point to mask the fact that you openly insulted the idea of helping soldiers that are deployed and soldiers that are returning from deployment because "they knew what they were getting into". You are a pathetic excuse for a human whom couldnt make it through the trials that your grandfather and stepfather suffered, and spend your time insulting the people that do instead.

And yes, I have saved a life or 2, because it's my job. Ive also had several weapons pointed at me and had to make the decision to end another person's life instead of mine (not really a touch decision). I knew what I was getting into, and I dealt with the family stress of my last deployment and am dealing with the stress of my second deployment coming up. That being said, I also have to deal with seeing my troops go through hell and lose their wives/children/friends, then come back and have nothing to rely on once the army washes their hands of them. Buy hey, fuck em right? Dimmauk believes our soldiers dont need support, so let em burn. You sound like you've had a real tough life man, we wouldnt want to burden you with concern for our soldiers, because they are all talk right?

You seem bitter about your choice to join the military. So enlighten me on how the military just washes their hands. Doesnt the government provide training, school money, signing bonuses, etc...? You talk like you go from soldier to homeless bum overnight.

[Tymon]

You seem bitter about your choice to join the military. So enlighten me on how the military just washes their hands. Doesnt the government provide training, school money, signing bonuses, etc...? You talk like you go from soldier to homeless bum overnight.

They would like you to think that (lol tin foil hat) but no really.

A lot of veterans new and old alike are getting REALLY screwed over financially as of recent times. I don't know much info into it as I haven't researched it but I'm sure neo would be more informed with that subject.

[Neosutra]

You seem bitter about your choice to join the military. So enlighten me on how the military just washes their hands. Doesnt the government provide training, school money, signing bonuses, etc...? You talk like you go from soldier to homeless bum overnight.

When did I say I was bitter? You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Not only did I re-enlist, I went on to be commisioned as an officer, because I wanted to do my best to support the troops under me.

Signing bonuses and military salaries have nothing to do with soldier support (not to mention you typically only get 40% of any given bonus due to taxes and the way the money is distributed). We already covered the "job training" being inapplicable to civilian careers, and the fact remains that while the college funding offered is nice (though doesnt cover much), college isnt for everyone.

Ill spell it out for you, since you obviously havent been paying attention, and have been too busy insulting the people that do the hard work you fail to do: We need a revamped family support core for deployed soldiers to take care of the financial/emotional/life trials of having their spouse deployed to a combat area for year+ at a time. We need the resources to treat and debrief our returning soldiers and integrate them back into the "real world" better than what we do. We need about 3 times the mental health providers that we currently have, and we need an entirely new program to encourage soldiers to recognize the signs of these problems and seek the help they need to get.

Supporting the family while deployed, supporting the soldier when they get back. These are the things our Army needs to work on.

Having access to the GIbill does not qualify as good civilian handover. You REALLY need to shut the fuck up about things you have no idea about.

[Dimmauk]

When did I say I was bitter? You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Not only did I re-enlist, I went on to be commisioned as an officer, because I wanted to do my best to support the troops under me.

Signing bonuses and military salaries have nothing to do with soldier support (not to mention you typically only get 40% of any given bonus due to taxes and the way the money is distributed). We already covered the "job training" being inapplicable to civilian careers, and the fact remains that while the college funding offered is nice (though doesnt cover much), college isnt for everyone.

Ill spell it out for you, since you obviously havent been paying attention, and have been too busy insulting the people that do the hard work you fail to do: We need a revamped family support core for deployed soldiers to take care of the financial/emotional/life trials of having their spouse deployed to a combat area for year+ at a time. We need the resources to treat and debrief our returning soldiers and integrate them back into the "real world" better than what we do. We need about 3 times the mental health providers that we currently have, and we need an entirely new program to encourage soldiers to recognize the signs of these problems and seek the help they need to get.

Supporting the family while deployed, supporting the soldier when they get back. These are the things our Army needs to work on.

Having access to the GIbill does not qualify as good civilian handover. You REALLY need to shut the fuck up about things you have no idea about.

I agree, all those things you posted about should be happening. I'll say again for the fucking thousandth time, I SUPPORT THE TROOPS. You keep trying and failing at making me look like the bad guy. You sound alot like my grandfather and stepdad then they talked about the military(minus and the death and gore they saw), and you act surprised, insult me, threaten me, and try to dismiss me when I said no thanks to the military.

About the job training, when I worked for Motorola they had over 50% of its employees in the military or were ex-military. People with no military had to complete three very difficult test just to get hired, while the military people only had to show their ID card. I thought it was great that Motorola did this for the troops and military people. But hey, what do I know?

[Neosutra]

You support the military huh? Your previous statements would say otherwise:

I also know that they knew what they were getting into, and wont be playing the victim when they get back.

Labeling soldiers with PTSD or mental health problems as playing the victim card is the attitude that keeps our suicide rates high and our professional health funding for our military low.

My grandfather was an alcoholic from the time he got out of the military till he died.

But he knew what he was getting into when he signed up! Fuck em!

I also dont feel sorry for the troops having to be there since its your job.

No one asked you to feel sorry, we asked to provide the family and medical support required to these people during/after their deployments. Not one person here asked for pity, we asked for respect, I know you have trouble understanding the difference.

I guess the program we need is a tampon program for all those troops that the war is too hard on.

And this statement is the home run game ender that shows your complete disdain for our soldiers and complete disrespect for the work your grandfather and stepfather has put forth. I dont expect everyone to join the military (it isnt for everyone), but your attitude towards those that serve is disgusting and disrespectful. But hey, what do you know?

[Kuya]

Some of the best e-thugging i've seen in ages.

[Neosutra]

But he's beat up alot of military badasses before Kuya!