5 suspected of witchcraft in Nyamataro Village...

[Devek]

I said it would be hard to only hit the attacker..

You say I know nothing about guns..

Therefor the mac-10 must be amazingly accurate.

My (2nd lol) best friend owns an ak, and it is easy as hell to hit stuff with it. Only semi, but why would you want to use it any other way?

[Plow]

I said it would be hard to only hit the attacker..

You say I know nothing about guns..

Therefor the mac-10 must be amazingly accurate.

You missed the entire point. It's hard to hit the target at all, let alone only hit the target. A MAC-10 that wasn't fully auto would be a terrible choice for defense purposes, and even worse for, well, anything else you can think of. Target practice with a gun that will produce 6 inch groupings at 10 yards machine mounted sounds fun.

In other words, the point is it serves one purpose: shooting people. There is no reason for that to be mass produced.

My (2nd lol) best friend owns an ak, and it is easy as hell to hit stuff with it. Only semi, but why would you want to use it any other way?

No, it's not. Maybe from 10 yards.

YouTube - AK 47 vs M16

^ Person that's dedicated his life to the shit hits a human sized target 1 time out of 5 from 200 yards. Even the m16 in the video actually hits the damn target.


You think I'm saying you don't know shit about guns because of one dumb comment, I live in Kansas and have many friends who have always and will always list guns as their #1 hobby, I've had all these discussions before, and it doesn't take any time to see who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.


Also the fact that if you knew wtf you were talking about you'd have pointed out the .30-06 ban idea, but that's another issue which I'm well aware is dumb as hell, even though you probably have no clue in the world as to why.

[Elvis]

wait are we debating whether a mac 10 would 'give away' the intentions of those crazy motherfuckers from Wtfakstan?

EDIT: Nvm, a sledgehammer. Based on the nature of most of the kills, it seemed like those guys caught people off-guard. Maybe they somehow concealed the weapon. Based on the wiki article, that's the impression I'm getting.

I'm pretty sure if I saw a dude with a sledgehammer walking my way, I'd bust out my samurai sword.

EDIT2: That sounded really gay. :\

[Plow]

wait are we debating whether a mac 10 would 'give away' the intentions of those crazy motherfuckers from Wtfakstan?

EDIT: Nvm, a sledgehammer. Based on the nature of most of the kills, it seemed like those guys caught people off-guard. Maybe they somehow concealed the weapon. Based on the wiki article, that's the impression I'm getting.

I'm pretty sure if I saw a dude with a sledgehammer walking my way, I'd bust out my samurai sword.

EDIT2: That sounded really gay. :\

He tried to equate banning sledgehammers because 1 was used in a murder with banning assault rifles.

[Elvis]

Oh. Well then by that logic we should ban Wii motes. Pencils. McDonald Chicken Sandwiches. etc.

[Devia]

I'm pretty sure if I saw a dude with a sledgehammer walking my way, I'd bust out my samurai sword.

Omg, I laughed right out loud at work. Thanks for that on a Monday.

[antihero]

i have no idea what im talking about

ftfy, and if you're going to be shooting something 200 yards away, you aren't going to be using an AK47, I shoot my friend's regularly and at the range its very easy to hit center mass from 100 feet (max range distance.) I don't even shoot competitively and that's with iron sights.

even most of the DC sniper attacks were from 50 yards (150 feet), and that was a .223 rifle modded with a red dot sight. before you pull distances out of your ass, you'd best know what you're talking about.

[Kerberoz]

YouTube - AK 47 vs M16

Nice propaganda! I'm sorry but that guy either fucking sucks or is intentionally missing if he seriously cannot hit a human sized target at that distance with an assault rifle, whether it be an M-16 or an AK. He's not even using full auto yet the video talks about the gun sucking because of recoil... wut recoil? He's firing single shots off seconds apart.

[archibaldcrane]

Nice propaganda! I'm sorry but that guy either fucking sucks or is intentionally missing if he seriously cannot hit a human sized target at that distance with an assault rifle, whether it be an M-16 or an AK.

200 yards is a haul for a weapon not built for shooting that far with iron sights.

As they demonstrated, AKs will rip shit apart with their payload way better than an M-16, but at their heart they are designed for full-auto, not sniping.

[Korietsu]

M16, M4A1, SKS, AK, blah blah, there are dramatically more accurate versions of the same guns which are not designed with "point and spray" capability in mind.

I Lol'd. If you seriously believe that any of those weapons were designed as spray and pray, you're out of your fucking mind. The AK was designed with thee objectives in mind. Kill shit, be durable, and be fucking cheap. The quality of the parts used determine the accuracy, not an inherent intention to spray all over the place. M16? Still used as the DMR in Iraq and with the US Military. M4A1, Medium range assault rifle that can fulfill many roles, as well as a DMR role. SKS? Slavshit, same idea as the AK.

200 yards is a haul for a weapon not built for shooting that far with iron sights.

As they demonstrated, AKs will rip shit apart with their payload way better than an M-16, but at their heart they are designed for full-auto, not sniping.

Not designed for either. Cheap/durable medium range assault rifle. No military in the world just "sprays" at their target.

[Plow]

ftfy, and if you're going to be shooting something 200 yards away, you aren't going to be using an AK47, I shoot my friend's regularly and at the range its very easy to hit center mass from 100 feet (max range distance.) I don't even shoot competitively and that's with iron sights.

It's literally easier to hit that same target with a good magnum .357, .44, or .50 pistol, with similar if not better stopping power.

even most of the DC sniper attacks were from 50 yards (150 feet), and that was a .223 rifle modded with a red dot sight. before you pull distances out of your ass, you'd best know what you're talking about.

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You serious? That was an AR15, i.e. a semi-auto M-16/M4 etc. The video I linked is literally specifically showing the difference between it and an AK, and how much more accurate it is. It's still not as accurate as a pure rifle, and the lack of stopping power eliminates any viability as a hunting weapon whatsoever. They're good enough for target practice, but they're easily outshined in anything but shooting people in full auto.

Not to mention the part where you're accusing me of "pulling distances out of my ass" in response to a fucking video I linked of them shooting at a specific distance...

Nice propaganda! I'm sorry but that guy either fucking sucks or is intentionally missing if he seriously cannot hit a human sized target at that distance with an assault rifle, whether it be an M-16 or an AK. He's not even using full auto yet the video talks about the gun sucking because of recoil... wut recoil? He's firing single shots off seconds apart.

AK's freaking suck, they're not only inaccurate in the first place, they're also manufactured in a way that the bolt doesn't move the gun straight, that's what he was pointing out about the recoil. If you think anyone should be able to reliably hit a target at 200 yards with an AK, I'm really not sure what to tell you. They're not built for it, at all.

I Lol'd. If you seriously believe that any of those weapons were designed as spray and pray, you're out of your fucking mind. The AK was designed with thee objectives in mind. Kill shit, be durable, and be fucking cheap. The quality of the parts used determine the accuracy, not an inherent intention to spray all over the place. M16? Still used as the DMR in Iraq and with the US Military. M4A1, Medium range assault rifle that can fulfill many roles, as well as a DMR role. SKS? Slavshit, same idea as the AK.

You're right, I shouldn't have listed primarily actual rifle types, but that doesn't change the facts. The M16/M4 are the only ones I listed that actually started as non-fully auto weapons. The SKS is a shittier, lighter weight, less accurate, less powerful AK, and was entirely designed (in the 40's...) for "spray and pray,"

Even the M16 and M4 are specifically *modified* versions of a semi-auto rifle that was never *that* accurate in the first place and has limited stopping power. Modified to what, exactly? Oh, that's right, to "spray" in full auto. It's simply a technique developed by users to use more precise burst fire.

Not designed for either. Cheap/durable medium range assault rifle. No military in the world just "sprays" at their target.

You really don't understand the mentality of it do you? The AK was designed as a portable machine gun.

[Devek]

It is the world's most popular weapon because it sucks.

The AK must be like the Britney Spears of guns.

[Plow]

It is the world's most popular weapon because it sucks.

The AK must be like the Britney Spears of guns.

More like the Big Mac, but, yeah, pretty much perfect comparison.

Also the common .22 is so far ahead in "popularity" there's not even a comparison, but anyway.

[Korietsu]

You're right, I shouldn't have listed primarily actual rifle types, but that doesn't change the facts. The M16/M4 are the only ones I listed that actually started as non-fully auto weapons. The SKS is a shittier, lighter weight, less accurate, less powerful AK, and was entirely designed (in the 40's...) for "spray and pray,"

Even the M16 and M4 are specifically *modified* versions of a semi-auto rifle that was never *that* accurate in the first place and has limited stopping power. Modified to what, exactly? Oh, that's right, to "spray" in full auto. It's simply a technique developed by users to use more precise burst fire.

You really don't understand the mentality of it do you? The AK was designed as a portable machine gun.

Currently, all versions of the M16 in service are either Semi, or 3 round burst, none issued today are fully automatic (barring extreme circumstance with certain units of the armed forces).

The original M16, which my father was trained and trained soldiers on as a SSgt, in the US Army was a fully automatic designed as a replacement for the long standing M14. It was never intended to be a replacement, nor was it ever a replacement for a LMG in military service with the US Armed Forces.

While the intention of the weapon was originally to give more "salvo" fire similar to a sub-machine gun, it was never designed with the intention of replacing a machine gun in combat, but rather, to rapidly engage targets at short - mid range distances, rather than dealing with the large bulky battle-rifles of the time.

Same goes for the design of the AK. While the M16 stressed accuracy and better ubran warfare (after redesigns), the AK was designed with total retards in mind, allowing for cheap replacement, and for it to be rugged in almost any condition.

Always remember that with the military your equipment is made by the lowest bidder with the most idiot proof design in mind.

[Plow]

to rapidly engage targets at short - mid range distances, rather than dealing with the large bulky battle-rifles of the time.

Same goes for the design of the AK. While the M16 stressed accuracy and better ubran warfare (after redesigns), the AK was designed with total retards in mind, allowing for cheap replacement, and for it to be rugged in almost any condition.

Right, a portable machine gun. The AK's original intention was not to be shot single fire (in fact I'm not certain if original models would even have a semi option), but to lay down "suppressive" fire while the riflemen take the precision shots.

Currently, all versions of the M16 in service are either Semi, or 3 round burst, none issued today are fully automatic (barring extreme circumstance with certain units of the armed forces).

The original M16, which my father was trained and trained soldiers on as a SSgt, in the US Army was a fully automatic designed as a replacement for the long standing M14. It was never intended to be a replacement, nor was it ever a replacement for a LMG in military service with the US Armed Forces.

While the intention of the weapon was originally to give more "salvo" fire similar to a sub-machine gun, it was never designed with the intention of replacing a machine gun in combat, but rather,
Always remember that with the military your equipment is made by the lowest bidder with the most idiot proof design in mind.

The reality of the original design of the M16 is different. It started as the AR15, a cheap, lightweight, low power, semi-auto, short range "sniper" rifle. As such it is much more accurate, and built with silencers etc. in mind. It's more of a "tactical" weapon whereas the AK is more of a "strategic" weapon, laying a baseline for the more specific attacks by superior weaponry.


Honestly it's hard to say which is "worse" per say in civilian hands, as the AK is more for brute force and "violent" attacking, whereas the M16 is more for precise striking, and is on the verge of reasonable as a hunting rifle in its more social-conscious iterations. What makes it hard to say is that the AK in a small scale firefight is more about stopping power, where the m16 is more about kill capability.

[Drex]

If you take away people's guns, they'll use knives. Take away the knives, they'll use hammers. Take away the hammers, they'll use their fists. Guns kill people, but the gun does not have the power of critical thinking. Someone makes the decision to pull the trigger (or in this case light the fire), and thinks it is the right thing to do because someone put it in their head.

The same goes for religion. It's just a scapegoat for the human condition. Take away religion and there are still a thousand other ways to get people to do what you want, for better or for worse. Parents usually control their children to some extent (sometimes subtly, sometimes not so much), businesses often overstep their boundaries to control their employees, even the cops and robbers experiment (or the infamous Milgram's Experiment) that was posted earlier in the thread amounted to physically and psychologically abusing other people...for science!

If you think it's religion's fault, you're deluding yourself. If religion weren't there, something else (or someone else) would take its place and bring about the same results. A lot of people are simply too lazy/stupid to think for themselves. They are just waiting for someone to come along and tell them what to do.

[Kerberoz]

If you think it's religion's fault, you're deluding yourself. If religion weren't there, something else (or someone else) would take its place and bring about the same results. A lot of people are simply too lazy/stupid to think for themselves. They are just waiting for someone to come along and tell them what to do.

The problem is that you can't just get rid of all the stupid people without destroying the world's living infrastructure. No cure for cancer, but you can slow it down and suppress the symptoms.

[Abraxas]

i was telling my friend about this video, and he said he had read something about it in a magazine, and it said that the people who were being killed were given deemsters. ive never done them, but i hear its one of the most severe psychedelic drugs out there.

after he told me that, it made more sense why no one was yelling or screaming, except those in the crowd. youd have to be on some fucked up drugs to take being burned and beaten with a metal rod without shrieks of pain.