Warlock Question

[Aeo]

Got bored of the hunter so made a lock alt ima take to 80 and i was just wondering what the best Lock spec is for lvling

[Norellicus]

Demonology imo.

[fantasticdan]

Affliction. Nothing really compares to being able to run by and dot/kill everything in the area at the same time with infinite health/mana.

Demonology imo.

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[Norellicus]

lol, what can I say, I like the pets

[Correction]

72+ Felguard + Siphon Life is by far the best levelling spec. Just remember to go back to a real spec if you want to DPS instances.

Before that, yeah, Afflic.

[fantasticdan]

72+ Felguard + Siphon Life is by far the best levelling spec. Just remember to go back to a real spec if you want to DPS instances.

Before that, yeah, Afflic.

Uh what? How does felguard hitting one mob at a time compete with increasing your dot damage on all mobs by a fucking lot with shadow mastery, pandemic, everlasting affliction, etc.?

[Correction]

Uh what? How does felguard hitting one mob at a time compete with increasing your dot damage on all mobs by a fucking lot with shadow mastery, pandemic, everlasting affliction, etc.?

Uh Cleave - Spell - World of Warcraft

And because you can now consistently Howl of Terror with 6 mobs beating on you, while Fel Synergy - Spell - World of Warcraft and Mana Feed - Spell - World of Warcraft grant you and your pet infinite health and mana, is how. It is so much ridiculously faster to kill mobs with a pocket warrior than waiting for your dots to do all the damage, especially as mobs get to 11k+ health and you risk the dots falling off and the mobs resetting, wasting time.

[Inactive]

Being able to DoT 6-7+ mobs at a time and end with nearly full health and mana beats having your own pocket warrior.

[Correction]

You can do that and have a pocket warrior is what I am saying.

[fantasticdan]

Cleave hits a POSSIBLE one extra mob, and while training mobs around solo it's generally not going to hit that extra target at all. I really fail to see how the extra single target damage from going from felhunter to felguard is going to make up the difference of like 20% personal damage on all targets from deep affli talents, it's not even close. And I can't remember a normal mob ever surviving a single set of DoTs 70-80.

Not sure why you brought up mana feed and fel synergy exactly, they just keep your felguards health/mana topped off. They don't grant you anything.

[Correction]

Affliction doesn't suck; I'm not here to argue that it won't do enough damage. But you seem to think that Felguard/Siphon life locks just sit there killing one mob at at time. They don't, they train every goddamn thing in the zone to themselves and let the exact same DoTs an affliction warlock has kill the mobs in the same time.

Additionally, Siphon/Link lets you solo just about every group quest in Northrend, with every benefit that pure affliction has as long as your gear is correct for the setup.

[fantasticdan]

Affliction doesn't suck; I'm not here to argue that it won't do enough damage. But you seem to think that Felguard/Siphon life locks just sit there killing one mob at at time. They don't, they train every goddamn thing in the zone to themselves and let the exact same DoTs an affliction warlock has kill the mobs in the same time.

I'm not sure what you're reading, but nothing I posted implied someone specced into felguard/SL would fight one mob a time. There's just no way the damage difference between a felhunter and felguard can make up the difference for your dots ticking over 25% harder (ignoring master demonologist and contagion, since they basically cancel each other out) on multiple mobs.

Additionally, Siphon/Link lets you solo just about every group quest in Northrend, with every benefit that pure affliction has as long as your gear is correct for the setup.

I soloed the group quests as well, with this cool pet called voidwalker, you should look into questing it. Coincidentally, you can also pick up soul-link without going all the way down demo to felguard. In fact you can have all the important affliction leveling talents, as well as soul-link, at 70 (50/11).

[Correction]

SL/SL doesn't solo group quests with felguard either.

Show me the math where CoA/Corruption/SL are all doing 25% more damage or more as deep affliction vs Felguard/Siphon. Here's what a level 79 warlock looks like with the build I used: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

[Plow]

I hope you people aren't serious about the group quest shit, 99% of group quest mobs are slow-able, which makes them a complete joke for any warlock.

Even if they're not it's still not hard as long as they don't run faster than 108%.

[Correction]

How is kiting with CoE better in any way than tanking an elite with a Voidwalker and CoA up?

[Ishido]

It's not about better, it's that arguing the capability to solo group quests is fairly irrelevant.

[Gulkeeva]

Lv 70-> 80 on my T6 lock in under 4 days 6 hours average per day affliction.

Dot dot dot dot dot howl terror dot dot dot dot howl terror
dark pact/lifetap whenever, your HP goes up insanely fast
/repeat

It may take work but your virtually unkillable also doing this regaining average 2-3Khp/2-3sec doing this

I remember some ally near my level trying to kill me.. think it was a war, and i just killed him like I did all the adds

[fantasticdan]

Show me the math where CoA/Corruption/SL are all doing 25% more damage or more as deep affliction vs Felguard/Siphon. Here's what a level 79 warlock looks like with the build I used: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Uh look at the talents retard?

Shadow mastery - 15% shadow damage
Malediction - 3% spell damage
Everlasting affliction - DoTs gain 5% additional spell damage scaling.
Pandemic - Corruption gains the ability to crit, and for double damage.

I forgot about demonic knowledge, but taking that into account it's a 20-25%ish damage advantage on DoTs for affliction. You said felguard/SL was the best spec starting at level 72, where as you can't even put a single point in shadow mastery until 76.

Also pretty silly you didn't take amplify curse in your spec(you took hit talent instead, lol...). Reduces your DoT time per mob from 4.5s to 4s, which is basically 11% haste for one point in a tier with nothing else to really spend it on.

It's not about better, it's that arguing the capability to solo group quests is fairly irrelevant.

This.

[Correction]

Uh look at the talents retard?

Shadow mastery - 15% shadow damage
Malediction - 3% spell damage
Everlasting affliction - DoTs gain 5% additional spell damage scaling.
Pandemic - Corruption gains the ability to crit, and for double damage.

I forgot about demonic knowledge, but taking that into account it's a 20-25%ish damage advantage on DoTs for affliction. You said felguard/SL was the best spec starting at level 72, where as you can't even put a single point in shadow mastery until 76.

CoA does not benefit from Everlasting Affliction. This does not add up to +25%
Pandemic only affects Corruption and is only as good as your crit rating, which deteriorates VERY rapidly as you level to 80, and why the fuck would you keep stacking crit on an Afflic Warlock. This also does not add up to +25% on all your dots.

You might want to reserve calling others a 'retard' until you're actually willing to learn the game mechanics yourself, and actually do the math instead of throwing numbers around that are conjured from thin air.

[Eaglestrike]

15% shadow mastery
5% contagion
5% everlasting affliction

20% CoA/SL, 25% Corruption