Random Complaint Thread

[Falaras]

Garfrost wiping sounds like the healer for sure, or a tard issue, not a gear issue.

Or the healer had to heal the tank too much, it could be anything.

[Eaglestrike]

Or the healer had to heal the tank too much, it could be anything.

Uhh, if anything, his gear means he'll need less healing, not more. Stamina whoring allows you to last longer before needing healing but doesn't reduce the amount of healing you need at all (exceptions being low health paladins and blood DK's). So most likely that paladin would take less damage than a comparably geared tank that just stacks stamina over the course of the fight. And Garfrost doesn't hit hard enough to get someone gibbed, which is the other big reason tanks whore stamina.

Wipes on Garfrost are because:

1) Healer doesn't LOS and remove their stacks, making everyone die.
2) Tank doesn't LOS and remove their stacks, eventually getting one shotted, this takes a while though.
3) Healer is bad and can't keep people in LOS and alive, causing them to die, eventually losing everyone.

DPS can fail to LOS and die, but you still need one of those 3 to occur to actually wipe, since a healer and a tank can duo the guy given enough time if they do it properly.

[Falaras]

Uhh, if anything, his gear means he'll need less healing, not more. Stamina whoring allows you to last longer before needing healing but doesn't reduce the amount of healing you need at all (exceptions being low health paladins and blood DK's). So most likely that paladin would take less damage than a comparably geared tank that just stacks stamina over the course of the fight. And Garfrost doesn't hit hard enough to get someone gibbed, which is the other big reason tanks whore stamina.

Wipes on Garfrost are because:

1) Healer doesn't LOS and remove their stacks, making everyone die.
2) Tank doesn't LOS and remove their stacks, eventually getting one shotted, this takes a while though.
3) Healer is bad and can't keep people in LOS and alive, causing them to die, eventually losing everyone.

DPS can fail to LOS and die, but you still need one of those 3 to occur to actually wipe, since a healer and a tank can duo the guy given enough time if they do it properly.

With less health the healer needs to heal more often, allowing less regen and having to use heals that may not be as mana efficient as others. Garfrost is a mainly magic damage fight so that armor is doing basically nothing. Again, I'm not a healer, I don't know if he was bad, but I do know if the healer has to spam heals on the tank to make sure he doesn't drop low enough to get gibbed, he can't be healing the DPS.

[Knyghtmayre]

Took 2 fucking healadins to ICC today alongside my GF's tree and my god. COMBINED, they couldn't equal her healing done to the tanks. TO THE TANKS. For Festergut we had 1 paladin on each tank and beaconing the other. How the fuck does the raid healer out-heal the tank healers? I'm not talking overall healing done, I'm talking she heals tank1 for 501k and both paladins together healed tank1 for 325k. This is fucking disgusting -_- Why have offspecs if you can't fucking play them?

[Ohaigaiz]

Took 2 fucking healadins to ICC today alongside my GF's tree and my god. COMBINED, they couldn't equal her healing done to the tanks. TO THE TANKS. For Festergut we had 1 paladin on each tank and beaconing the other. How the fuck does the raid healer out-heal the tank healers? I'm not talking overall healing done, I'm talking she heals tank1 for 501k and both paladins together healed tank1 for 325k. This is fucking disgusting -_- Why have offspecs if you can't fucking play them?

uhh... what damage does the raid take on festergut aside from occasional vomit, spore, and inhale blight? there isn't much raid damage being taken at all.

[Onorgul]

Garfrost is not a tank fight. It's a healer and DPS fight. Your DPS need to be fast enough to get Garfrost killed before the stacks of his aura have a chance to kill of the tank ('cause the tank can't easily LOS to drop them except during phase shifts) and your healer has to cope with the incoming damage which gets hefty fast. If DPS aren't LOS'ing their stacks or they're really low, it becomes a bad situation. But you don't need 35k Health to tank Heroic Garfrost. Judicious use of cooldowns is plenty to buy your healer some time in the clinch. That fight is all about coordination and smart DPS.

For that matter, the only boss in the Frozen Halls instances that really requires a tank to have a fair bit of Health is Tyrannus, and that's ONLY if you decide to keep in melee range when he goes nuts. I choose to, just to keep him standing still and keep my DPS off the ice, but I burn cooldowns and whatnot for that.

[Kaylia]

I think people are misunderstanding me, I'm talking about people like this:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...s/Untitled.jpg
5% Health and 10% Stam buff, only 36k health. Yes we wiped to Garfrost, twice. I don't know if it was the healers fault, but I do know that tank is doing it wrong. I'd rather see him using a blue Essence of Gossamer at that point.

You could give me his shitty gears, and I'm sure I could tank just fine.


Is the tank doing something wrong? Based of his gears, he is missing a few stam gem/enchant, but shit, 36k is more than enough to tank garfrost. The healer should dispel the ice debuff, the tank can remove it as well if it's stacking too high, the dps shouldn't take a lot of dmg....

It's probably a situation where everyone is bad

[Knyghtmayre]

uhh... what damage does the raid take on festergut aside from occasional vomit, spore, and inhale blight? there isn't much raid damage being taken at all.

I really can't figure out which side of the argument you're on. There isn't a massive amount of raid damage in the fight aside from pungent blight, but there's still raid damage. But that wasn't even remotely the point of anything I said <_< We had 2 holy paladins specifically assigned to healing tanks and only tanks and they both were out-healed by the raid healer who was healing all 10 people. Which is why we wiped, over and over and over. This fight is incredibly simple and yet, horrible people make it horribly difficult. I think out of an hour of attempts, they got past the first inhale once.

[Ohaigaiz]

i won't deny that the paladins were terrible. i'm just pointing out that with not a lot of raid damage going on, there isn't much healing that needed to be done to the raid. thus, the raid healer was hotting the tanks more. did you happen to look at over-healing done for that fight?

[Knyghtmayre]

Druid at 1.3m with both paladins at 400k~/ea, never letting people come as their off-specs and pretending to rely on them ever again. It's really sad because this is like the second or third best guild on horde side on our horrendous realm and they still fail so miserably. We're still on PP25, just downed it on 10, and I think they tried to go straight to frostwing and got absolutely laughed out of it (I couldn't be there thankfully)...

[Onorgul]

See, Knyght, this is why I make it very clear that I'm a lousy healer on my Priest. I don't even pretend because I'm trying to get them to understand that they will be disappointed. It's not where my focus is, it's not where my experience is, and I only keep a healing off-spec if I need a fast Heroic queue or am doing something that, by all rights, I could probably heal in Shadow spec, anyhow. WoW is so laser-focused sometimes that I really don't understand how people can (or think they can) swap between two very different roles at the drop of a hat. Some of them pull it off, but most of them make it very clear that they should stick to what they know instead of what they have.

[aurik]

Festergut has tons of raid damage, dunno what you're on about. Constant aura damage on everyone in the raid which starts off quite severe and drops as he sucks up the blight. Tanks get smacked around a bunch but only for the 30 seconds or so that he's got the full buff.

That 232 trinket linked is terrible flat out, and the essence of gossamer is much better.

Garfrost could be any sort of failure: that fight is actually tricky to heal if dps / tanks are stupid. Gotta love when the tank decides to fight the guy at the forge after the 66% or 33% transition, when the pre-existing LoS rocks are 60+ yards away. Also, asking the healer to dispel the stacking debuff is dumb and will just cause them to get GCD locked and behind on healing damage.

[Keria]

Gotta love when the tank decides to fight the guy at the forge after the 66% or 33% transition, when the pre-existing LoS rocks are 60+ yards away. Also, asking the healer to dispel the stacking debuff is dumb and will just cause them to get GCD locked and behind on healing damage.

omg this, though maybe i'm just bitter getting PieceofShit every day for random hc

[Kaylia]

If there is no stone within 30 yard of the forge, who the fuck was slacking behind? It toss it at people, and it tosses it relatively often. If people are close, no rock should be far.

[Onorgul]

I'll admit that I tend not to pay the slightest heed to where the rocks are for the transition phase, but I have Intervene to get me close enough to one very fast. It's almost always a DPS who slacks.

[Lexa]

Oh MAN I wish I'd taken screenshots. I'm not sure if this even belongs in the complain thread, because it's more of a "WTF RANDOM" outburst.

Stopped a For the Horde attack on Exodar today with some friends, purely coincidental as we were all in PvP gear and ready to do the daily BG when the worlddefense channel lit up. One of the Hordes logged onto a level 1 Alliance char and we got to talking about the hilarity of failing a FTH in Exodar of all places, since - well, nobody goes there. So we continue talking about this and that for about 10 minutes or so, and all of a sudden, out of the blue...

Him: I bet ud like to have ur pussy licked.
Me: ...err... going to Ignore you now.
Him: Im sorry I didnt mean it. I just think Id make it good for you

He didn't say anything after that. Either it was the most random late-start trolling I've ever seen, or the most random fail-attempt at cyber ever.

[sy.ste]

I despise wussies who ignore or black list people. Man up, fragile human.

[Thuronn]

I despise wussies who ignore or black list people. Man up, fragile human.

^

I especially hate the threat of ignoring, ohhhh so scccary.

[Metta]

Being ignored half way through a argument with someone is so fucking annoying, nothing, NOTHING, makes me rage more.

[sb]

I despise wussies who ignore or black list people. Man up, fragile human.

See I'm the type who make's liberal use of my ignore and back in the day, my b-list.

If I don't know you and you:

are saying something I don't feel like listening too (well reading)
ask me for gold
ask me for a run though
spam a channel

and you are on my list. I'll even ignore guildies if they are annoying me, though I'll later go and remove them. I don't act diva about it, I don't have to tell the world I'm ignoring you and don't report anyone besides gold spam messages. But it's my game and if you are annoying me, you're not invited.