Random Complaint Thread

[Cephius]

Priest first Merc second, anything after that doesn't matter. A lot of tanks are so focused on keeping aggro on everything that they don't realize the rouge shadowstepped behind them. Combined with the mob pathing issues.... I've seen more than one tank die because they didn't realize they were butt-tanking.

Tanking it myself though, what a snoozefest. Pallies are pretty OP there I guess. I've never wiped on trash, even with sub-par DPS.

[Norellicus]

Yeah it's pretty mundane now. The early weeks though, man...it was something else watching your hp crash from 60k to 6k in the span of a global cause mercs are chain-KSing you.

[rithridan]

Lately I've noticed people don't give a shit about marks so I just don't bother. I grab everything and try to clutter them up as much as possible. I don't care what people are attacking, shit will die eventually. I can always chain interrupt the priest using Hammer of Justice, Avenger Shield, BE racial, Holy Wrath.

Also on the Lich King encounter in H.HoR even though you tell people to kill the Witch Doctors they still afkdps on the Abominations.. /sigh.

[Siniroth]

I've always killed them first cause I have a special place in my heart for the utter destruction of vyrkul, for some reason, but why should they die first? I've always wondered

[sb]

I've always killed them first cause I have a special place in my heart for the utter destruction of vyrkul, for some reason, but why should they die first? I've always wondered

Because their AoE hits everyone while the Aboms AoE should only be hitting the tank.

[Cephius]

Yeah, they like shadow bolting random people and are hard to move since they're casters. The abom has a cone AOE and can be moved easily if the LK starts getting too close to the group.

[[Cookies]]

I think the main reason is due to the fact that if your group's dps is lacking, the vrykul are much harder to move back if the Lich King is getting too close. That and shadowb volley/curses are annoying whereas the Abomination's aoe generally only hits the tank. Saying that, i've had plenty of runs where the melee dps get hit constantly by the Abomination aoe, it's really annoying. ._.

[Correction]

Saying that, i've had plenty of runs where the melee dps get hit constantly by the Abomination aoe, it's really annoying. ._.

Pathing/latency/uneven terrain, yeah fuck those aboms on melee. THAT'S why I target the vrykul first, at least I can keep their casting under control.

[Knyghtmayre]

stupid fucking people that think that anyone that is a clicker cannot possibly be good at whatever they're doing

some moron rogue thought they were "better" than me today because I click+keybinds and they use -all- keybinds. i proceeded to do 11k dps on toravon25 and he did 5.7k

it doesn't make that much of a goddamn difference

[Kaylia]

Wiped on sindragossa 8 time, same guy died 9 time to the ability where you have to run. There goes my chance to fight arthas in pug (or at least, not until the 30% buff)

[Falaras]

Finally got into a good guild to find out my computer can't handle ICC 25 man, this sucks.

[Norellicus]

stupid fucking people that think that anyone that is a clicker cannot possibly be good at whatever they're doing

some moron rogue thought they were "better" than me today because I click+keybinds and they use -all- keybinds. i proceeded to do 11k dps on toravon25 and he did 5.7k

it doesn't make that much of a goddamn difference

So you're comparing a lack of intelligent play to a difference in user inputs?

k

[Metta]

Finally got into a good guild to find out my computer can't handle ICC 25 man, this sucks.

Turn resolution down and everything on low except projected text thats what i have to do, makes fps a little better but having a shit comp sucks no matter what.

[Falaras]

Turn resolution down and everything on low except projected text thats what i have to do, makes fps a little better but having a shit comp sucks no matter what.

I have no clue what the problem is, even with every setting on low and my comp isn't even a year old + build for gaming. I went in on Sindragossa 25 and I couldn't turn the right direction because I'd lag to bad and would turn to far plus I did like 4k DPS. The thing is I never had this problem raiding 25 man Naxx, 25 man Ulduar, or the few times I did 25 man ToC.

[Thuronn]

So you're comparing a lack of intelligent play to a difference in user inputs?

k

You know this definitely is the complain thread soooo no point to be like that. He was clearing showing the the other person thought that, but nitpicking is fun I guess.

[Acturus]

I have no clue what the problem is, even with every setting on low and my comp isn't even a year old + build for gaming. I went in on Sindragossa 25 and I couldn't turn the right direction because I'd lag to bad and would turn to far plus I did like 4k DPS. The thing is I never had this problem raiding 25 man Naxx, 25 man Ulduar, or the few times I did 25 man ToC.

Have you changed any programs on the PC recently? I have similar slowness issues, but they are consistant in all of my 25-man content.

Anything running in the background? Hell, if I even have Facebook up behind WoW, I'll lag more.

[Knyghtmayre]

Don't really know what you're trying to say Nor, since my point was obviously how moronic the mindset of "omg u r clicker???? lolol u fkn suck bro n i cn out-dps u with 1 dagger" is and that I'm shocked it's actually still prevalent.

Anyway, storytime.

Wednesday my old guild runs ICC10. For like a month or so they've been trying to 'progress' in ICC by picking 20 people for 2 progression teams and making everyone else in the guild sit around on standby all week in case someone in the progression group couldn't show up on the following Tuesday (the only other day of the week that they raid ICC10 lol). Kind of pissed me off, but whatever, I have all I want from ICC10 and I can't make any use of the frosts other than gold-making, but I don't have anything to spend the gold on. One of the teams got to 11/12 and then hit a brick wall on LK and people stopped logging in so for 2 weeks they didn't even have an attempt, but they kept extending their lockouts. The other group was stuck at like 8/12 or something, which is what the entire guild was already at before the 'progression' mindset came about, so they basically accomplished nothing special, but were extending their lockouts each week anyway.

I was growing really irritated by this since as a result, I'd end up doing ICC10 once per week, on the day before the lock resets, and it would be with a bunch of undergeared, underskilled alts that couldn't even kill VDW... So this Wednesday, no officer was online and 26 people that wanted to raid were online. So I said something about it, asking if we were just going to sit around doing nothing or if we were just going to start up fresh runs to actually do something. Mixed responses, everyone acted like they were sheep that needed to be herded in the right direction so that they were forced into a decision rather than making it themselves. 15 minuts past the time raids are supposed to begin, a "veteran" rank in the guild says alright, we're doing 2 fresh runs, sorting the groups now. So we do, everyone is at least mildly content to not be sitting around Dalaran for the next few hours. One hour into the raid, one of the officers logs in and starts bitching about us raiding, and he said, "Next week, if no officers, no raid!" I laughed so hard at this, and said "good luck making me not raid because you can't be online" which pretty much enraged him.

In a matter of seconds he starts bitching at me, because I had the audacity to speak a word to someone with Officer stuck next to his name, as if it was supposed to suppress any cognitive thoughts I have and turn me into one of the many other sheep roaming about the guild. His arguments were pretty much completely unfounded; first he started with calling me a greedy bitch and saying I needed on gear for my offspec, which I've never done. He cited an instance where I took ToC25 1.50 axe for my offspec over an Resto shaman's offspec. First of all, we rolled for offspec, I won. Second of all, the shaman's offspec at the time was ELEMENTAL. Third of all, Enhancement shamans have no fucking use for 1.50 axes afaik. I rebutted all of these points and he came back with "i dont care, if they want it then they can roll for it." My second rebuttal to the accusation of me needing items for my offspec was that I've never done it, and in fact I've greeded DBW and the 264 axes from ICC25 -multiple- times when I would've fucking loved them, whereas the Combat rogue in our guild needed on Lungbreaker, and the other Mut rogue needed on DBW. My argument does nothing.

After that he rants about me 'complaining' so much, citing the 6 hours we spent on Sindragosa10 and wiping at the same point. Every. Single. Time. Without any change in strategy, without anyone being held accountable for their mistakes, without any progression whatsoever. Why would I not complain about a raid leader (the RL was actually this guy, too lol) not raid leading at all but rather throwing bodies and hoping for success? Why would I not complain whenever I've wiped to Putricide10 with this guild 42 times and still have not killed him because they swapped the groups around every single week and they kept giving me people that were completely oblivious to any tactics whatsoever? Am I supposed to just be content with failure? I really don't understand how I can be, whenever, especially in ICC10, the gear is trivially and possibly situationally better than some of the stuff I have, but I don't need any of it and would be perfectly fine never needing on any of it, and all I want out of ICC10 is just to be able to fluidly kill every boss and down the Lich King.

I left the guild while our raid was in progress, and we were at Saurfang. Told the raid group that I'd happily leave if they wanted and that I'd completely understand, beforehand. No one wanted me to leave, we killed Saurfang and worked our way to Plagueworks trash and the officer tells them to kick me from the group, they ignore him and we keep killing trash. He comes on vent, bans me from vent after I told him what a tyrannical moron he is, and we continue with trash. He tells the guild that everyone in the raid will be kicked from the guild if they do not replace me. I felt really bad for putting them in that position, so I left the raid. The amount of whispers I got from members was astonishing.

Fast forward to that night, I'm in Dalaran and bored, joined a friend's guild just to be social while I find a new place for my GF and I. I shout in trade "10k mdps lfg voa10/25, icc25, toc25, anything" and then someone was like "omg, u do 10k dps???" and the same officer responds in trade that I was "boosted" through ICC10+25 for all of my gear and that I ninja'd it all. First of all, there was almost never an occasion where I was not the top DPS in the raid, from the moment I joined the guild. Secondly, I spent my earned DKP on my gear, just like the rest of the guild. Thirdly, I never once took anything that was even sort of trivial. He goes on to insult and shout for like 20 minutes, saying "oh this is just a game for me" "oh i don't care that you're out of the guild, everyone is so happy now " "oh you're all just pets to us [officers]... we raise you, we gear you, we kick you when we want " This guy is really fucking full of himself. He has 5 alts, all at least ToC25 geared, all in the guild, all taking BoE drops from ToC/ICC to use over either selling and putting the gold in the bank or letting other people use them.

I'm just wondering one thing really, is it common for guilds to be ran this way? Sorry for the wall, just idiots really frustrate me.

[Norellicus]

I spoke out of turn mostly, Thuronn is right that this is the complaint/rant/venting thread and people really shouldn't come in finger-wagging or whatnot in it


As for your story, I'm batting a thousand on that same kind of experience; raid leaders who won't hold individuals accountable and would rather shout at the entire group (or misdirect accountability away from their bestest buddies onto the rookies or other easy excuse, clearly the dps that died to unavoidable and unmitigateable damage is at fault for their own death right?), guild leadership that squelches any kind of teamwork that doesn't involve at least a portion of the senior staff, and who focus more on the loot than the experience.

It's sad, I've seen plenty of guilds who, at least on the exterior, exude the opposite, but they're almost always the top tier guilds who want people to hyperoptimize their character (mining/skinning/herbalism = no, and you better damn well have at least a handful of ToGC kills) and/or have schedules that I just couldn't adhere to on a regular basis. I "quit" XI back when 3.2 came out so I could gear up T9 and see Icecrown unfold as it happened and not after it was turned to easymode, but this past month I haven't been able to motivate myself to login at all cause I always want to shoot myself dealing with these leaders. Games aren't worth this kind of frustration or stress.

[Jodwahh]

An epic tale

No, it's really not common for a guild to be run like that. I used to be in a guild with that mindset of officers taking everything for themselves but eventually I got to the point where I just had enough of it and left. Got into a fair, progressive and fun raiding guild with weekly (low) dkp caps so everyone is kept on a fairly even keel. Going from the 20th ranked horde guild on the server to the 2nd was fanfuckingtastic, I was at the point of quitting before I left.

[Lexa]

Epic tale, etc etc

I've heard of a few guilds ran like that, though never been in one. The only thing they've had in common besides the selfish officers and bad leadership, is that they all fell apart within weeks/months. You're def. better off.

EDIT: To add my own, this isn't really a complaint. More like a sulky, "Why can't I have it both ways?" kinda deal. I got offered a spot in the top progressed guild on our realm. Except I love my current guild, which is also doing well for itself, and I play with multiple RL friends (might have another RL friend starting WoW soon, too). Someone please remind me that as long as I kill shit, and I have my best friends with me, the grass REALLY isn't greener no matter how much it may tempt.