Random Complaint Thread

[Cephius]

I just let the rifleman shoot, if he turns because of heal aggro then just taunt him and the extra holy damage from your taunt should keep him on you until everything else is dead. His shots don't hit that hard, anyway. I don't like LOSing either because even if you have consecrate down, the mobs can run by and instagib your healer before the dot ticks and aggro registers. Holy Wrath is an excellent emergency button there, and you can even use turn evil on the mage if it's giving you trouble.

[Kaylia]

Or lrn2play and don't use LoS because consecrate is shitty for snap aggro.

Shield slam first guy, judge 2nd, hammer if there's a third (should hit one or two other guys), run to the hunter if there is one and then taunt/avenger's shield the mage if he's around and you've got all 5. Subtract parts for the easier pulls. If there's a DK that makes shit much easier if you can get him to death grip.

I think the LoS method is far inferior, I don't like it except on my druid. And that's because a druid has shit when it comes to tools to deal with casters and stuff.

It never failled me to grab the initial aggro, HoTR right after will do the job to get solid threat. It's not like you can't consecration while they are otw and wait for them with your other skills..

[Eaglestrike]

It never failled me to grab the initial aggro, HoTR right after will do the job to get solid threat. It's not like you can't consecration while they are otw and wait for them with your other skills..

One way risks your group fucking it up. The way I propose covers for bad dps. Guess which one succeeds more often?

[Boyiee]

My sister is a priest and my healer for any instance I do. She always shackles a rifleman or a mob that's just too slow. I don't know why people are so afraid or against CC use especially if it's instant and so affective.

[Aesctaa]

One way risks your group fucking it up. The way I propose covers for bad dps. Guess which one succeeds more often?

If everyone doesn't know the exact LoS trick its useless.. the devil is in the detail. Often people think they know it and just stand in the alcove without everyone stacking, which causes massive frustration as tank.

If its people you know can steamroll the place just fight wherever, otherwise LoS cos it definitely gives the tank a bit more control.

[Tajin]

grab non-casters, HoR the caster, LoS him bingo you got your mobs all grouped up. 2 stuns (1 aoe).

HoR is mad easy. (When im tanking)

[Eaglestrike]

I don't understand how not doing anything for 10s gives anyone control except the mobs. Good tanking requires a "take charge" attitude and waiting around for a while doesn't really go along with that. There are times waiting is more beneficial but for the most part the majority of tanking issues can be resolved by acting on it moreso than waiting.

[Siniroth]

If everyone doesn't know the exact LoS trick its useless.. the devil is in the detail. Often people think they know it and just stand in the alcove without everyone stacking, which causes massive frustration as tank.

If its people you know can steamroll the place just fight wherever, otherwise LoS cos it definitely gives the tank a bit more control.

It has little to do with stacking, it has to do with proximity to mobs ignoring walls, everyone can be standing out in the middle of the alcove, if paladin is in the corner closest to mobs and he gets initial aggro, they'll all beeline to him

That being said, there is a limit on how far you can be out before you're closer to mobs on the one side

[Aesctaa]

Who they aggro to first is mostly beside the point, they can and will switch to whoever does *anything*, and yeah that doesn't end well if they ain't stacked.

[Falisa]

as a pally tank as long as everyone is to one side ive always found my consecrate was enough to get initial aggro on me. i hide behind the wall until i see the first mob come around and start on my other abilities and throw a mark on the priest or whatever. as long as dps stay on mobs that are close i just throw a taunt and avengers shield on the rifleman and mage and los them up to me.

[Falisa]

as a pally tank as long as everyone is to one side ive always found my consecrate was enough to get initial aggro on me. i hide behind the wall until i see the first mob come around and start on my other abilities and throw a mark on the priest or whatever. as long as dps stay on mobs that are close i just throw a taunt and avengers shield on the rifleman and mage and los them up to me.

[Kaylia]

Ulduar HM...the pug the disbanded on yogg saron So close.

[Kaylia]

One way risks your group fucking it up. The way I propose covers for bad dps. Guess which one succeeds more often?

I don't see how it's any different. Hitting all 4 mobs won't be instant no matter where you tank it, you have a global cooldown. If someone is retarded enough to pull threat during that time, he can be hit (well, you can taunt of the first one immediatly, but

I don't understand how not doing anything for 10s gives anyone control except the mobs. Good tanking requires a "take charge" attitude and waiting around for a while doesn't really go along with that. There are times waiting is more beneficial but for the most part the majority of tanking issues can be resolved by acting on it moreso than waiting.

First, it's not 10sec. Secondly, the monster can be aoe and cleaved. When you are in the center and a mage/ranger wake up, they wont be grouped, while in the corner, they can cleaved to death.

And like I said earlier, you still have the same ability in the corner to grab the monsters. Taunt, Righteous defense, avenger shield, hotr and the initial consecration are more than enough to grab everything.



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Oops, meant to edit my last post.

[Krye]

Having to grind out 2 million honor for a fresh 80 blows cock

[Dein]

Also chiming in on the H HoR chat as a pally tank. Throwing down Consecration and using the walls to LoS incoming waves works well at the start of each group but I have no clue why you think anyone (intelligent) would just sit there with only Cons active as stuff poured in Eagle. As soon as anything reaches 10 yards of me I hit my judgement and start my rotation, usually saving HotR until I've got 3+ mobs within melee range. Once I've got most/all of the trash in the aclove I hit Holy Wrath to get extra snap threat and that's usually enough to make sure that I've got everything on me for the duration of the fight as long as the dps aren't going right after a hunter or mage that didn't come fully into range of my aoe skills.

[rithridan]

Nowadays when I get HoR on my pala (its been a while) I just don't care if people LoS or not. I put my consecration on the right side of the alcove and stand on the edge of it near the left side so I get aggro on pretty much every (melee) mob running in. Usually hitting HotR when the first 2 are near gives enough snap aggro to have them on me. Avenger shields go out to the mage to have him come closer to me and I taunt my first target (priest or merc, depends) and do my marks before they get close. Righteous defense for anything that still didn't get grabbed by consecration / missed by HotR/Wrath.

Back when I was a wee little paladin in t8 when you had to make groups from your server I had it a little easier since I had people with me who knew how to CC (priests with shackle, hunters with traps, palas with repentance/turn evil). But these days I just assume every random person I get grouped with is a retard who doesn't know how to play. That way you never get dissapointed, only confirmed .

On a different note, yesterday I on my random frosty run I had someone in the party whose only action was /follow on me (healer at the time) and then afk. Kicked his ass the moment we could, he was lucky enough to get a triumph out of it since we already killed the first boss before I actually noticed he didn't do anything other then /follow.

[Miraun]

On my pally tank, I had a mage that absolutely refused to LOS on the same side as everyone else... Then would start attacking whichever mob was furthest away: Other mages and/or the marksmen the second that all the melee-type guys were on me... Told him 3 times to gather on the same side, and he didn't.

I let him die.

[Metta]

Faction change takes to long.

Some of Ensdias officers and from other top guilds have came to my server but on horde, i applied on my lock and got accepted but have been waiting for faction change for a few hours now =(

EDIT: Quite a few posts on the EU tech forum about long waits for faction chage and/or server change so it looks like there is a issue going on.

[Miraun]

Strange, only took about 15 minutes for me...

[Tzar]

First night of attempts on LK25 HM. Goddamn hes a bitch.