Random Complaint Thread

[aurik]

I said an int ilvl 333 with a helpful proc would be better. That's the truth, ilvl 333 is the point at which the upgrade makes sense. Doesn't matter that there isn't one, if there was one it would be better. Baradin trinket is still trash that you should replace with the first contemporary +int trinket you find. Your time would have been better spent repeatedly queueing heroic randoms and hoping to see one of the above named trinkets drop. Hell, even the ilvl 325 Uldum quest trinket would even be superior if its proc was something good instead of mastery.

Core is a pretty solid item; there's about 3 reasonably attainable trinkets that may be better (Tyrande's Doll, DMC, Cho'gall trinket) so unless you're very lucky, you won't be replacing this pre-4.1, so it's not a bad way to spend 1650 VP, especially when you have trash for solid options otherwise. I'll also point out the ludicrously available 365 epic pvp gear makes spending a ton of points on tier pieces less attractive.

Basically any time you wipe or end a fight with more than 2-3000 mana or a potion cooldown unspent you should regret your purchase.

[Saxon]

Hell, even the ilvl 325 Uldum quest trinket would even be superior if its proc was something good instead of mastery.

I thought mastery was good for h.priest once you got 12.5% haste?

[aurik]

After 12.5% haste, haste and mastery are still better than crit but neither are particularly attractive. A spirit or spellpower proc would be best.

[Ksandra]

Core is a pretty solid item; there's about 3 reasonably attainable trinkets that may be better (Tyrande's Doll, DMC, Cho'gall trinket) so unless you're very lucky, you won't be replacing this pre-4.1, so it's not a bad way to spend 1650 VP, especially when you have trash for solid options otherwise. I'll also point out the ludicrously available 365 epic pvp gear makes spending a ton of points on tier pieces less attractive.

On this, I wouldn't say trinket would be top priority on vp once you get them, I never said it was bad, it's just silly to say don't bother with the other trinket because you're gonna get that one someday, and I think it's silly to get that trinket first just so I don't have to get the other one? wut. Silly logic is silly, vp can be spent on a lot more improvements first. Again I never said bw trinket is BiS, so just throwing in better ones doesn't disprove my point at all, especially when I was referring to ease of access, and that one def isn't.

[aurik]

Questionably itemized ilvl 359 epics aren't that big of an upgrade over perfectly itemized ilvl 346 rares, and certainly aren't better than the ilvl 359 spirit cloth that you will be getting 100% priority on once you do start raiding. On the other hand, you will be competing with every healer for those trinkets. The same is true for rings, but fortunately there are a 4 really solid int+spirit i346 rings from heroics plus the therazane ring, whereas trinkets there are really few attractive options.

[Ksandra]

On the other hand, you will be competing with every healer for those trinkets...whereas trinkets there are really few attractive options.

which increases the value of the bw trinket...proving my point about it, it's an easy one to get instead of just bypassing it for "someday when".

[Saxon]

which increases the value of the bw trinket...proving my point about it, it's an easy one to get instead of just bypassing it for "someday when".

You're missing the point. Heroic dungeon trinkets are better. Sure get the trinket if you have shitty heroic luck, but you'll only have yourself to blame when they release new content that is actually a significant upgrade for Baradin Tokens and you find you don't have enough.

[Ksandra]

You're missing the point. Heroic dungeon trinkets are better. Sure get the trinket if you have shitty heroic luck, but you'll only have yourself to blame when they release new content that is actually a significant upgrade for Baradin Tokens and you find you don't have enough.

I can always do more, I really don't mind, and I've never been in a rush to get anything in this game. Hell, I've been pretty much "raid ready" for a week now, and probably won't raid for another month or so. My policy usually is, if I have access to something better, get it, because who knows when I'll get something better. It could be the next day or next month, really not worth guessing over. as to the i346 trinkets, you need to wear two, if you get to the 12.5% haste with raid buffs then I would argue the bw trinket would be better than the hourglass.

[Meresgi]

Ring of the Boy Emperor, Tyrande's Doll (Which I don't want or have a use for)...yet after 4,120 troll fragments still not damn sword. wtb Archaeology patch soon.

[Saxon]

1700 haste rating is like 13% haste when it procs? I'm not a priest (well not 85), but if that adds another tick to renew when at 12.5% haste pre trinket (as well as lowered casting times), then wouldn't that be better than the mastery from Tol Barad trinket (As well as providing the INT)?
Damn this thread making me realise how fucked up my trinkets are on shaman though :/

[Ksandra]

1700 haste rating is like 13% haste when it procs? I'm not a priest (well not 85), but if that adds another tick to renew when at 12.5% haste pre trinket (as well as lowered casting times), then wouldn't that be better than the mastery from Tol Barad trinket (As well as providing the INT)?
Damn this thread making me realise how fucked up my trinkets are on shaman though :/

holy doesn't spam renew much in raids from what I've read. shaman completely different though, from what I've seen shamans have the least mana issues out of all the healing classes. (<-not a shaman so only heard that mentioned in like priest threads so take that for what you will). I admit I'm terribad with math, but an extra tick on a renew on maybe 1-2 people vs. extra heal on a 6 second hot on 5-6 people I'd imagine the mastery would beat it out.


I'm going to try and do my best at some really terrible math lol.

my renew does 1261, so for the haste on the trinket the extra renew is 1261 per person


at 1043 mastery my hot from prayer of healing is 215 per sec for 6 seconds = 1 person hit is 1290

the bw trinket gives 1926 so a little under double what I have atm so maybe about ~ 2400ish per person

Meaning the int on the hourglass would have to push > 1039 to make the renew comparable to bw poh hot per person. Or you'd have to have a lot of renew up more than what you're hitting with poh. which is probably why holy doesn't bother with renew as much as wotlk.


Now on the haste vs. master on poh (which is better to compare anyways). I don't fucking know. You'd need someone more mathy because I'm not quite sure how haste is calculated now.

But point is, though you reach 12.5% for extra renew you aren't supposed to keep stacking for more because it begins to sacrifice other more important stats at that point. (if that makes any sense).


[edit] to clarify before someone jumps down my throat: I am well aware poh is a stronger heal than renew making it a bad comparison, but mostly it's to show that it's probably better to focus on poh/pom than it is on more renew ticks. adding to the fact poh/pom is way more mana efficient than renew as well.

[aurik]

Even beyond any hot tick breakpoints, extra haste is always good because we spend a significant amount of time casting, as it still speeds up the GCD and cast length.

Using insect swarm to proc natures grace before popping tree is sweet.

[Ksandra]

Even beyond any hot tick breakpoints, extra haste is always good because we spend a significant amount of time casting, as it still speeds up the GCD and cast length.

Using insect swarm to proc natures grace before popping tree is sweet.

awww was expecting to wake up to see you still try and say the bw was trash for holy compared to the hourglass because it doesn't have int. So disappointing.

[aurik]

BW spirit trinket is still garbage, witching hourglass heroic is better hands down.

[Ksandra]

BW spirit trinket is still garbage, witching hourglass heroic is better hands down.

there you go.

[edit] still wrong though!

[aurik]

So how much mana do you typically end up with at the end of a fight?

[aurik]

And how much mana is that extra spirit giving you, compared to say +280 intellect?

[aurik]

Because I'm guessing you don't know, but you love your shiny purple.

[Ksandra]

So how much mana do you typically end up with at the end of a fight?

I am over geared for heroic, and haven't started raids yet so can't give an accurate amount.

And how much mana is that extra spirit giving you, compared to say +280 intellect?

ya that has basically zero to do with my argument. It's not an issue of spirit vs. int it's an issue between spirit and mastery vs. int and haste. Unless you can prove that the 280 int/haste is going to give me more healing than the proc 2400~ per person in a fight, then you have no arguement.

[Norellicus]

280 int is an extra 280 sp which applies to every cast you make and not just a specific spell~

Don't really know priest math but just thought I'd point that out, often small global increases are better than large limited ones