Random Complaint Thread

[Plow]

Pug dungeons fail a lot.
Premade bgs win a lot. (and fast too: you can crank out 7+ WSG in 1 hour if you have a nearly full premade)

Instant queues, exploiting the queue system (you can't queue with more than 5, and even queuing as 5 you get matched up vs opposing premades so that's not viable for 6 min wins), and winning every game in achievement speed, factor in the 90 second start, and you're looking at a mathematical max of 8 wins. Factor in that exploiting the queue system takes a couple minutes to get everyone into the same game, and yeah, that's a lot of trouble and an unrealistic projection.

Of course, at this point we're comparing pug dungeons to premade bg's using vent to manipulate queues, so I really shouldn't have to say much.

[Falisa]

Already kinda complained about this a few pages back but its pretty sad to me. Was looking forward to cata so much, but what with school starting in two weeks, I can't find any guild that runs on the days I need it. Won't get to experience this tier of content. Unless by some magic I get decent pugs to run with.

[aurik]

Of course, at this point we're comparing pug dungeons to premade bg's using vent to manipulate queues, so I really shouldn't have to say much.

Actually I was pointing out that you were comparing pug bgs to premade dungeons. I never made the comparison myself.

Also, my guild has no problem queueing 8+ people into the same BG now, and we rarely get matched against premades more than 2-3 people now. And during wrath, even premades of 4-5 people leads to stellar win ratios even though in general the alliance win ratio on our battlegroup was abysmal. My historical BG win ratio is around 70% for all battlegrounds and that includes a lot of non-premade games as well.

[Kaylia]

I have no sympathy for horde complaining about bg wait times. It's the only thing that at least tries to help with server balance, since bliz does jack else. You want to bg a lot? Play alliance.

Just make battleground that mix alliance and horde and the problem is solved. Lore you say? Nozdormu can fix that shit in 2 seconds.

Server balance? It's not like it really matter for pve, and for pvp, I don't think people care that much about their nation.

[Plow]

Actually I was pointing out that you were comparing pug bgs to premade dungeons. I never made the comparison myself.

Also, my guild has no problem queueing 8+ people into the same BG now, and we rarely get matched against premades more than 2-3 people now. And during wrath, even premades of 4-5 people leads to stellar win ratios even though in general the alliance win ratio on our battlegroup was abysmal. My historical BG win ratio is around 70% for all battlegrounds and that includes a lot of non-premade games as well.

First off, how did I compare pug bg's to premade dungeons? Your premade dungeons take 2.5 hours?

I pug bg's all the time, my win rate on my dk is 54%. Consider then the horde I've played... 30 min queues, 46% win rate. I cannot think of a better example of "sucks to be them."

And yeah it's not that hard to get a half decent group together and win random bg's at a good rate. But winning 7 per hour? You can't even PLAY 2 an hour as horde, and to get all your people in 7 games in an hour is lucky as hell.

It's also not hard to get a half decent group together and clear heroics in an hour. Hell I have tank spec geared well but I'm bored as shit with it so I just wait til I see a tank looking for dps in guild and run with them lol.

[Aksannyi]

I have no sympathy for horde complaining about bg wait times. It's the only thing that at least tries to help with server balance, since bliz does jack else. You want to bg a lot? Play alliance.

I don't get all the complaining anyway with Horde BG queues, the most I've ever waited (barring the day the queue was broken) was 15 minutes. Anyone who would bitch about that compared to the 45 minute DPS queue for pugging heroics needs to get their head examined.

[Plow]

I don't get all the complaining anyway with Horde BG queues, the most I've ever waited (barring the day the queue was broken) was 15 minutes. Anyone who would bitch about that compared to the 45 minute DPS queue for pugging heroics needs to get their head examined.

BG queues aren't cured by having a friend.

[Aksannyi]

True, but is 15 minute really that horrible? Do your dailies. Fap. If you time it right you can get off right when the cymbals crash of your BG being ready comes up on your screen for EPIC CLIMAXORZ.

[Ksandra]

Just make battleground that mix alliance and horde and the problem is solved. Lore you say? Nozdormu can fix that shit in 2 seconds.

Server balance? It's not like it really matter for pve, and for pvp, I don't think people care that much about their nation.

ya I wouldn't mind that at all. But blizz doesn't want to do anything about it because of lore shit (from what it seems like anyways).

[Aksannyi]

Lore is all jacked anyway really. I really do enjoy reading it but from a lore standpoint there is a lot of shit that doesn't make sense and is put there for the sole purpose of gameplay. Honestly you can arena HvH or AvA, duel each other, wargames, whatever ... only thing that would be really odd is a HvH Alterac Valley with a bunch of Orcs, Forsaken, and Trolls defending Stormpike Dwarves and their strongholds. Lolwut.

Though really that's the only one that springs to mind where it's a huge issue, BGs like EoTS which is just a base and flag capping race and SoTA which is just a beat against a wall race don't really have any real lore reason against letting same side play each other. Might get a bit stupid with HvH/AvA when people are yelling stupid shit at each other and starting flame wars but that can be remedied, too, just make opposing sides unable to communicate same as it already is. Would people talk shit after? Damn straight but really? Like it doesn't already happen when you kill someone and they log on their level 1 alt to whine at you.

Keep world PvP as-is obviously but most if not all BGs could do same side with (seemingly, I'm not a computer programmer) little effort, and it would solve a bit of the queue bitching. I really don't see why it would be so bad, hell even the BGs where you get rep (WSG, AB, AV) don't allow us to HvH/AvA on those and give us the others, there's still like 6 more then, right? Plenty to random into.

[Arvin]

I fucking hate hardmode valiona and theralion with a passion

[BadKarma]

Weekly guild rep caps fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff. I'm 1200 rep away from an Heirloom cape for my priest and I hit the fucking cap. Goddamit.

[Aksannyi]

Guild not raiding atm because people aren't geared.

Okay, this pisses me the fuck off, I work and I rarely get the chance to do more than one Heroic a night (none at all if no one is on because I refuse to PUG), and I'm sitting at a 341 ilvl. Which granted, is not spectacular, but considering we wanted guildies to have a minimum of 340 by two weeks ago and I hit it after A. getting Cataclysm late, B. Taking until Xmas day to get 85, and C. working full time and really only having weekends available to gear my toon, there is no fucking excuse for someone who does not work and basically plays WoW all fucking day not to be geared enough to raid, and what's worse, some of them aren't even fucking geared to do Heroics.

I enjoy my guild, we have fun in vent, but sadly people are leaving because they're getting impatient. And it just annoys me because it's not hard to get 340 ilvl, I'd be even higher if I haven't been so busy fucking around on my alts (low level toons in dungeons is so goddamn much fun). Wear a tabard, get some rep gear, do some regulars for JPs, do some heroics for moar JPs when you're geared, rinse and repeat, after about 10 heroics total I had Cataclysmically Superior and my average ilvl raid ready for our guild.

Fucking stupid. And these people who don't want to get heroic ready I even offer to go on regular runs with them, and they cbf to go.

I love the people in my guild and I want to raid with them, this is just frustrating as hell. I really don't want to shop for a new guild, I just wish I could stick a motivational stick up some people's asses to get them raid ready, hell I'm not even concerned if we fuck up and wipe a few times as long as we at least get to try it because we will get the hang of it eventually. Just pisses me off, first and only attempt at a raid we had 3 PUGs, all of whom left after we wiped on Mag.

Which leads me to another thing that annoys me, people who leave after one wipe - give it a fucking chance, this is new content, we are learning, we were getting the feel of it and we could have downed it if people had stayed.

[Tajin]

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[Saxon]

Set up guild events for heroics, if you can't even get people to show up for that, then you really have no chance for raids.

[Aksannyi]

Honestly I just needed to rant. We've been able to get some people to go, but some are notorious for saying they want to raid but not putting in the work to make it happen. It's frustrating as hell, but if we can't get our shit together I'm probably going to leave, and I don't think I'm the only one. :/

[aurik]

http://www.cutebabies.org/wp-content...ying_baby2.jpg

This just in, gear-based pvp games favor people that do obnoxious grinds for marginally better gear.
Also, stop comparing gearing up in PvE to gearing up in PvP. They're completely different.

[Dezzimal]

Rated BGs should allow horde v. horde etc. I think most people could agree with that.

[Kaylia]

Rated BGs should allow horde v. horde etc. I think most people could agree with that.

But how are you going to adapt your strategy when you start on alliance side! That's like game changing.

[Aksannyi]

Like half the people don't already have toons on both sides.