Random Complaint Thread

[Odon]

So we had a 1 minute undispellable freedom that lasted 8 seconds.

Now we have a 45 second dispellable freedom that lasts 8 seconds.

Please explain to me what the point of adding the original change (35 seconds undispellable 8 seconds) with patch 4.0.6 as one of the highlights of that patch, and one that quite a number of people were looking forward to, if it was just going to nerf ed into the ground?

They took something that didn't need to be changed in the first place, because it was fine the way it was. Then actually gave us something awesome. And a day later lolno.

Really? They have time to change this, but can't even fix our Aimed Shot cast time bug? OR ANY OF THE OTHER TRILLION BILLION HUNTER BUGS?

Or is that actually intentional, like the hidden 45 second CD on Master's Call was before they added the spellsteal/dispellable part to it?


Fucking faggots I swear to god.

Honestly wtf man.

[Katlan]

Anybody have any tips on p3 Nef? Dps is easy, but is our DK kiting wrong or is it harder then it looks? We wiped a bunch because the skele's kept getting stacks of w/ that buff is. We have slow traps being used and mage ice move (blanking on name), but something keeps going wrong.

Also, in 10 man.. are ppl pushing Nef in p2 or just killing the adds as fast as possible to help the healers a bit since p2 is a bitch to heal

[CoronA1979]

I don't have a ton to offer in terms of 10 man but I know in 25 man the biggest problem we had in p3 was the adds getting hit w/ the fire and bringing there energy back up to 100 or w/e. On our kill we did end up staying up on the pedestals as long as possible and pusing Nef so that p3 would hopefully not be as long to do deal with.

Coming from a healer's perspective it's a real pita, those adds.

Again my thoughts are based around 25m but for most it's semi the same I spose.

-Edit- I'm not sure we used any slow traps or anything of the sort on p3. I know Nef shoots fire at the adds so if they're slowed perhaps the fire is catching up to them due to that and keeping them up for to long?

[aurik]

Don't slow the adds, tank them. It's possible to kite them forever, but it's tricky and my group hasn't yet figured out the trick yet. Without knowing how to eternally kite, you'll find that things will get out of control after ~2 minutes when Nef is spitting fire every 10 seconds.

Our best attempt last night was 2.5 minutes in phase 3.

Most guides recommend getting at least one crackle in p2 so that he is landing at ~60% hp.

[shinoniken]

I can post a video of me (DK tank) kiting adds Sunday night if you want.

edit: The way we do it, our Holy Paladin sits on me through p3 with Righteous Fury on, to help gets the adds to us instead of to our resto shaman, since his AoE healing generates massive threat. Having to run through fire to pick up adds can very well wipe the fight. Slowing the adds is very much not recommended, however if your paladin is pro, have them aoe stun the adds after a fire drops and the adds aren't right next to fire (this is really not needed in our group, but when we first cleared Nef it was extremely helpful on healing.) The overall goal is not to kite the adds, since if they're never touching fire they die before the damage becomes remotely unmanageable, but to manipulate them and the fire in such a way that they are never going to reset energy. It's by far the hardest thing for a tank to do in normal fights, it's a lot easier for a warrior because of their superior mobility. Just remember that above all you must not let the adds touch fire, if you start getting adds with 30+ stacks on them the healing becomes unbearable. If something like that does happen and there are adds with high energy and high stacks, he's probably better off tanking next to the raid for aoe heals. That will really only work if nef is close to dying.

[Odon]

Excuse my shitty MS Paint

http://i51.tinypic.com/im7yp2.png

[shinoniken]

That's the general idea, but you're gonna have fire wherever adds died in p1, so it's not always so perfect.

[SamanosukeShiva]

what he said, except my guild position the raid on the wall side

[Tajin]

sooo, icy touch, plague strike, pestilence, switch target, pestilence, check original target, the diseases are stronger instead of lower/the same, it has no particular use in raids or the such but wtf blizz >.>
This as blood tank. Ignore the above it that is how its supposed to work.

[Dryr]

After saving herbs for this patch, spawn rates are broken in places like uldam that let you compete against 30 other farmers and still get 20+ stacks in 45 mins plus all that volatile life just as those trinkets are eating up 50/pop...

seriously, wtf... there was a patch today and the spawns are still on 10x normal rate. I can jump between 2 points 6 times in a row before moving to a new one with no waits, the same point up to 3 times in a row without moving...

[Guitarman]

seriously, wtf... there was a patch today and the spawns are still on 10x normal rate. I can jump between 2 points 6 times in a row before moving to a new one with no waits, the same point up to 3 times in a row without moving...

doesn't bother me any. took until now for other gatherers to catch on. i unloaded 700 herbs 400 ore and 118 volatile life at normal rate before the market saturated. I'm gonna load up before my sub expires and come back in a few months and sell it all.

[Arvin]

For nef, we actually position nef in the middle, rotating clockwise. Kiters are kiting on the outer circle out of tail range and when they need a cooldown (shadowfury, ring of frost) they call for it. It has to be timed well with the flames so they dont get rooted on them.

[Arvin]

Also, a good thing to note: the raid will not be taking any damage until the x0% mark, so spam the tanks and keep them alive. When he electrocutes the raid, toss your ground heals on them, throw a few around and it should be fine. at the 20% electrocute just ignore the raid after you top them off completely, since people will live through the 10% one.

[Slott]

What Arvin said. We tank nef in the middle, except instead of rotating around the boss, we just have our tank swap sides (so breath won't hit the add tank kiting on the outside) The kiting isn't like...running. We just use a warrior back pedaling so fire never hits the adds, make sure all adds die on top of each other, and don't use CC at all since adds getting hit by fire = fucked.

[Katlan]

Thanks all for the great Nef advice, it will definitely help.. Any way to lessen healing in p2, or is that just a bitch w/e you do.

Shin: I'd definitely like to check out the video of your DK tanking the adds.

[Arvin]

We split our healers so each platform has at least one cooldown. Also, make sure every nova is interrupted by melees and that most people are using their defensive cooldowns (feint, raptor strike, etc) it cuts down on a lot.

[Odon]

I love the raptor strike glyph on that fight.

[niwaar]

Yeah, I don't want to ever go back to tanking without interupt, it's just too good. Sure avenger shield did fine sometime, but it was slow, inefficient, and always on cooldown .

I bound mine to alt 1/2 to make sure it's available whenever I need it. It's working great for me so far..dont think I missed any interupt yesterday with that setup.

For heroic, it was fine, but in raid, there is a few boss like arcanotron and maloriak where avenger shield was not sufficient, it is really nice..

While I agree with Arcanotron, Maloriak I always had no issue with. As a matter of fact, I often found myself sitting for portions of the encounter, just because we have had some really bad luck with me accidentally shielding Add casts without us ever seeing the cast actually begin. Otherwise, having a shield+hammer up for the green phase was always enough to interrupt everything that needed to be in that phase. I am actually really disappointed that they removed the interrupt from Hammer, as it was a valuable ranged interrupt at times.

I love the raptor strike glyph on that fight.

Thanks for the tip, I will pass that along to our hunter. He has the highest chance of getting killed in P2 for us atm. He just seems to get Barraged a lot more than everyone else for some odd reason.

Any tips for handling phase 2 in general? We currently are basically killing 2 adds and then pushing him over and then pushing the last. Or would it be better just to have 1 dps on each add while 1 dps on each platform ranged nef?

[Odon]

Tell him to also use it for crackles, nef's hit box is retarded and you can melee and shoot him in the same spot so just spam it once its about to get casted in p1

[Kaylia]

While I agree with Arcanotron, Maloriak I always had no issue with. As a matter of fact, I often found myself sitting for portions of the encounter, just because we have had some really bad luck with me accidentally shielding Add casts without us ever seeing the cast actually begin. Otherwise, having a shield+hammer up for the green phase was always enough to interrupt everything that needed to be in that phase. I am actually really disappointed that they removed the interrupt from Hammer, as it was a valuable ranged interrupt at times?

For the lightning, it feel like I'm able to interupt it 1 tick faster all the time since the shield takes forever to flies. Before, it would require perfect timing from me. With arcane torrent and stun, I always had enough interupt for the fight even if I was careless

The other bonus is that I'm able to keep a more normal rotation since I don't have to hold on avenger shield. I understand what you're saying about interupting add accidently, but you can usually get it away with it if you're careful (you know when adds are coming usually)