Random Complaint Thread

[aurik]

At the time ToC came out, doing another 1-2 months of ulduar would have been a-ok. My group killed Algalon10 for the first time literally the day before 3.2 landed, and our 25 man raid at that point had only 3 HMs down? The top-quality guilds were generally clearing all of ulduar HM at that point, but hadn't been fully cleared for very long, were working on their 3rd hammer, MAYBE had yogg0 down, certainly there was life for another month or two of ulduar content.

Of course, ToC was a terrible shitstain of a raid and should have been tuned to at most half a tier above ulduar to keep ulduar relevant. Instead, people put HToC on farm basically as soon as Anub'arak was available, and then even if you only cleared normal (which took us a grand total of 2 pulls to clear each boss for the first time), the gear was better than hard-mode ulduar, making ulduar irrelevant for progression aside from collecting hammers. Dumb.


I really hope they make a balancing push for t11 10HM if they're going to push off the next tier by 2 months.

[Thuronn]

I'm hoping that the normal mode gear is less ilvl wise than t11 HM. Say at the 365pvp ilvl range.

But based on the trinkets from ZA/ZG that's not happening, lol

[aurik]

Those trinkets aren't from ZA/ZG, they're firelands loot. That stuff won't come in until 4.2 anyway.

[seph32]

Why are players so pushy for a port when you say no? I mean, you can easily take the port to the outlands and fly to shat which takes a few minutes, anyway;


Stranger: Port to Shat plz (sends blind invite)
Me: No sorry, I am queueing for Heroic daily. (Declined invite)
Stranger: Plz, I need to get to Shat Sunweel (nice mispelling here) *invites me again*
Me: I am queueing, you relize queueing as DPS takes over 30 minutes and not dropping queue for a stranger having to requeue again afterwards. Goodluck finding a mage porting you, goodbye.

[Aksannyi]

Blizzard, if you're going to force me to reset my fucking password because I attempted to log in on my laptop in Mexico, the least you could do is send me the fucking reset e-mail some goddamn time tonight.

[niwaar]

While I agree w/ everything you said... Whats better.. having horrible gating, but new content.. or being forced to do ulduar w/o any new content for 2 additional months. Yeah, the gear may still be relevant, but doing the same thing for even longer stretches of time doesn't make it more enjoyable. At last w/ the gating stuff you had some better gear to make some HM's easier.

Especially w/ this tier of content... some of the HM's require specific group make ups, that you wouldn't necessarily need for normal modes, or are STILL completely unbalanced for 10m v 25m. I still think valiona's HM adds have the same hp in 10m as they do in 25m

I think its a no win situation for Blizz. I rather wait an additional 2 months over them throwing out a gated raid with gear that has insane stats that completely makes you go back to fill raid nights on now an inferior raid tier, personal preference though. I say its a no win because a lot of people don't care about heroic raiding and just wanna do the shit on normal and for those people it hurts the most because people will get bored quickly.

My belief is that the entire "ToC was a mistake" argument they are giving us is a bunch of BS. ToC was not the biggest pacing mistake they had in Wrath. Being forced to run Naxx for upwards of 6 months without ANY new content was their biggest pacing issue with WotLK. I will agree that ToC probably cut Ulduar shorter than they wanted, but then again Ulduar itself was a far different instance than they had originally planned on as well. Because their original plans for T2 Wrath content was a heck of a lot different than it turned out. At least this time they seem to be on track with what they want to give us.

My thinking is a long the lines of, Cata T2 is going to take at least an extra month over what they had anticipated. So they are giving us a "minor content" patch so we do not do what we did with Naxx. ie, Be completely bored out of our minds for 4 extra months.

The question is... if they had just come out and said something like "Firelands is taking us a bit longer to develop than we had anticipated. So we are releasing the content we have finished and will release the raids soon after." Would we be so up in arms? I mean the population would bitch about anything, but would we be this mad?

[Plow]

I'm hoping that the normal mode gear is less ilvl wise than t11 HM. Say at the 365pvp ilvl range.

But based on the trinkets from ZA/ZG that's not happening, lol

ZA/ZG are 5 mans and their epics are 253, 6 levels below current normal mode raids.

Those trinkets are from the raid that's coming in 4.2, which will be i278 normal, i291 heroic.

[aurik]

See I think it's a mistake to have the 2nd tier raid normal drop better items than 1st tier hardmode. They should tune it around 365 normal, that gives mere mortals a reason to go back to t11 since we won't have completely farmed out the heroic gear, and let's face it, the uber guilds that are already 13/13HM and farming are going to be destroying normal t12 no matter what gear they wear.

[niwaar]

See I think it's a mistake to have the 2nd tier raid normal drop better items than 1st tier hardmode. They should tune it around 365 normal, that gives mere mortals a reason to go back to t11 since we won't have completely farmed out the heroic gear, and let's face it, the uber guilds that are already 13/13HM and farming are going to be destroying normal t12 no matter what gear they wear.

This is what I have been saying since ToC. In the conversion between the "heroic mode" Sartharion into Ulduar we had 3D loot being the same level as starter Ulduar gear. Why they moved to not linking the previous tier to the lower tier I do not know. Having T2 Cata starting off at 376 would be good. Since T2 should be considered as difficult as T1 heroics... shouldn't they? (I know that by and large they won't be, but theoretically...)

[aurik]

372, I think you mean.

If history has anything to say about it, T12 normals won't be as hard as T11 heroics. In fact, it'll be much easier. Much, much easier. Even if ToC norm dropped 239 gear instead of 245, I'm pretty sure only hardcore guilds would be going back to Ulduar for hardmodes that drop equivalent gears. Unfortunately this makes for a disincentive to do the previous tier heroics--I think the previous tier heroics should still be dropping minor upgrades to keep the gear incentive there, no matter how slight.

[Tajin]

Man this server is sooooo out of that picture, we're 9/12 (on 10man) and we'll down nefarian fuck knows when because we keep doing 25mans and every 25man we do brings new people and new ways to fail, server wise maybe 4 or 5 guilds are 12/12 and working or hardmodes, and farming BoT trash for epics is all the rage

Assuming from blizzard stance since ICC release, I guess there's loads of servers like this ._.

[niwaar]

372, I think you mean.

If history has anything to say about it, T12 normals won't be as hard as T11 heroics. In fact, it'll be much easier. Much, much easier. Even if ToC norm dropped 239 gear instead of 245, I'm pretty sure only hardcore guilds would be going back to Ulduar for hardmodes that drop equivalent gears. Unfortunately this makes for a disincentive to do the previous tier heroics--I think the previous tier heroics should still be dropping minor upgrades to keep the gear incentive there, no matter how slight.

Well I did mean 376 just because "higher tier" better loot type of thing. But I would agree that HM T1 should be useful. That being said, I really don't want to be still being forced to run the T1 HMs when T2 is released. I do not want the same situation that we had in ToC being forced to continue to farm Ulduar because of that damned Legendary Mace.

There should be reasons to go back a tier, but they shouldn't be so strong as to force you to do so. ie running it to complete teh Glory of achievement since, there are maybe 100-200 guilds out of 10 thousand that will see that achievement when it is current content.

I for one, do expect T2 Normals to be at least on par with the easier of T1 HMs. At least in the beginning, before the inevitable nerfs. If they are significantly easier, it would basically signal that Blizzard has once again shifted their theory on content difficulty too far towards the casual. Even though I am not 13/13 I am at least seeing some HMs and working towards eventually seeing the rest of them. I am enjoying this raiding tier. However, because of the repetition of doing Normals then Heroics I believe that we are already at a place that we were in multiple times in WotLK, over exposure burnout. Blizzard likes to say that this type of burnout was brought on in WotLK because many players had to run 10s and 25 and in ToC era, 10/10H/25/25H every week. When expanded to multiple characters it got tiresome. Now we are at the same place in Cataclysm and we arent even running the same amount of raids. We are just seeing the result of "artificial content" with reusing fights and calling them "heroic".

[FailureMidgard]

The question is... if they had just come out and said something like "Firelands is taking us a bit longer to develop than we had anticipated. So we are releasing the content we have finished and will release the raids soon after." Would we be so up in arms? I mean the population would bitch about anything, but would we be this mad?

You really think there's some huge cover-up going on here? What do they stand to gain by lying? Your entire argument can be flipped around to this. I for one agree with them, and I think it'd be shitty to release content too soon (before people are as progressed as they want to be). The hardcore guilds are ready...most casual-esque people I know are around 9-10/12, and really want to have time to at least go 12/12 normal. Others in the middle would like to ideally kill all 13 heroics, maybe at least be 10/13 heroic (w/ Cho'gall down and having seen Sinestra). If the majority of their raid-base wants to and is enjoying doing current content, it is too soon to release more. Regardless if you agree or not though, I really think it's silly to accuse them of lying.

Also, Naxx is a pretty awful analogy. Wrath was Nov 12-13. T1 Content was fully cleared Nov 13th. Ulduar patch was April 14. If you want to count "hardmodes" they were all cleared within 2 weeks of release. This isn't even just hardcore guilds BTW. Casuals were done with content within a couple weeks of release. My alt was in a pug that cleared all except KT some 3 weeks after release.
It took people a month and a half to clear current content, and by people I mean hardcores. Add that to the month later release date, they'd have to wait until June to release 4.2 to have it end up being the same wait. We aren't quite there yet...if they do 4.1 in March, 4.2 in late April, it's still much less downtime than Naxx>Ulduar (or BT>Sunwell, or Naxx>TBC).

[Tajin]

There's no way you can say there is over exposure burnout when you can only run each boss once per week. If people is doing it multiple times (alts, hardmode practice, whatever) that's not Blizzard (or for lolargument reasons, rest of the player base) problem.

[aurik]

Well I did mean 376 just because "higher tier" better loot type of thing. But I would agree that HM T1 should be useful. That being said, I really don't want to be still being forced to run the T1 HMs when T2 is released. I do not want the same situation that we had in ToC being forced to continue to farm Ulduar because of that damned Legendary Mace.

There should be reasons to go back a tier, but they shouldn't be so strong as to force you to do so. ie running it to complete teh Glory of achievement since, there are maybe 100-200 guilds out of 10 thousand that will see that achievement when it is current content.

I for one, do expect T2 Normals to be at least on par with the easier of T1 HMs. At least in the beginning, before the inevitable nerfs. If they are significantly easier, it would basically signal that Blizzard has once again shifted their theory on content difficulty too far towards the casual. Even though I am not 13/13 I am at least seeing some HMs and working towards eventually seeing the rest of them. I am enjoying this raiding tier. However, because of the repetition of doing Normals then Heroics I believe that we are already at a place that we were in multiple times in WotLK, over exposure burnout. Blizzard likes to say that this type of burnout was brought on in WotLK because many players had to run 10s and 25 and in ToC era, 10/10H/25/25H every week. When expanded to multiple characters it got tiresome. Now we are at the same place in Cataclysm and we arent even running the same amount of raids. We are just seeing the result of "artificial content" with reusing fights and calling them "heroic".

Thing is, if the gear only differs by 6 ilvl there's not really a "forcing" need to run T11 HM to gear for T12 normals. Sure it's a small upgrade, but the difference is so small that anyone thinking they are forced to do T11HM to compete in T12 is just being foolish. But it keeps T11 HM relevant for those guilds who get stuck in T12, giving us more options on what they can choose fight for a feeling of progression.

[Thuronn]

ZA/ZG are 5 mans and their epics are 253, 6 levels below current normal mode raids.

Those trinkets are from the raid that's coming in 4.2, which will be i278 normal, i291 heroic.

lol, I didn't know that.

Blizzard is such a tease, posting those dats early then later saying "oh yeah in 4.1 there will be no firelands".

[Aksannyi]

I'm really starting to get pissed off about this fucking lock out business.

I've been locked out for nearly 24 hours now and I still have not received an e-mail to reset my password. I e-mailed support and they said that my e-mail address must be compromised. I'm pretty sure it fucking isn't. So they suggested I change it anyway, but in order to change my goddamn e-mail, I have to be able to fucking access my account, which Blizzard locked. This was not me getting my account compromised. This was me legitimately logging in to my account from another location. And now I can't access it to do anything like reset the password or change the e-mail account on it.

None of this wouldn't have been a fucking issue at all if Blizzard hadn't thought it was necessary to put a lock on my account.

[Norellicus]

Check spam folders?

[Aksannyi]

I did, and I keep those empty frequently anyway. Thinking it might be backlogged or something, unless I accidentally blocked Blizzard e-mails along with the fake phishing ones. In the process of looking through my block list now.

[Meresgi]

Giving up on 25s. I see no point honestly, especially when im raid leading and notice that my 25man group is basically carrying 10 or so other people. Who week after week can't get out of flame pillar/flamethrower/slimes/ or move with debuffs on Council or even fucking not get hit by sound discs on Atramedes.

Told my top 10 or so raiders ill be doing 10mans and bringing them along, other people in the guild are upset I called them out on not improving on a single fight for the course of a full month and I honestly don't give a shit anymore. Even contemplated going horde again.