Random Complaint Thread

[Meresgi]

The loot is pretty meh now too. Each class has like 1 upgrade for each slot in the entire scope of raiding (minus the -of the shit from ToFW). I mean yeah, it was annoying as shit to see a piece drop that was plate, but better for warrior then DK or pally...but at least you could use that till you got your other drop. Now it's just a waiting game till that ONE slot piece does drop then EVERY class that shares your gear and position in raid want it because it's the only thing there is.

Surprisingly the only difference being that there seem to be more weapon variety which is nice.

All it does is placate the whiners who don't see their loot drop and want another shot at it in a PuG. It would also completely nullify the incentive to do 25 mans in the first place

And how would it be that bad really? It's still totally random if your loot will drop or not. So being able to go in on 25man and miss out on your drop from the 6 pieces of loot that dropped and then going back in on 10 for another chance, even though it's much smaller does nothing to mess with the game. Other then yeah, once people have all their loot they might take time to actually look at the dungeons and raids and realize it's just more of the same

[Katlan]

Loot is boring now since every piece is identical aside 2ndary stats. Its no longer wanting that "X" item off of "Y" boss because it has slightly more stam or slightly more agi then another epic quality piece. Especially by allowing all hybrid's caster classes to use spirit as hit makes gear even more streamlined. Its nice to be able to use spirit for hit, but there is no longer "moonkin" or "elemental shaman" gear, its just healing gear.

[Dakk-Siren]

Cata was a blast at first as it launched w/tons of content, but blizz can't keep up the pace and their balancing tactics in cata only make every class feel more and more alike (I.e boring). Also, it's gonna be about 7 months (from cata launch) to see firelands, and it's taking them longer to do 4.1 then it took em to release 3.1

It actually took them almost exactly 6 months to get 3.1, ulduar, out. And we are only nearing the 4 month mark for cata and it seem 4.1 is almost out. Most likely in the next few weeks. Then blizzard said(as reliable as that can be) firelands will hit ptr shortly after 4.1s release. So if they do keep their word we should be seeing firelands around the 6 month mark. The real question is if they will keep it to the 7 bosses they said at blizcon.

Even if it is only 7 bosses it might go into the planning of a shorter well developed raid every 3-4 months scooting this expansion right along so we can play WoW in space in 5.0

[Meresgi]

Fucking love the people in my guild/on my server. Trying to do Rated BGs for fun and a climb for better weapons and gear. Yet no one wants to be bothered doing them, they would rather sit around in town sticking their thumbs up their asses ERPing with each other or staring at a fucking AH wall for hours between raids/sleep.

I absolutely fucking despise arena, so goddamn awful and I only have 1 person to do it with so I can only do 2's, which is a cluster fuckfest with the shit tons of mages/rogues and warrior/healer comps.

[Cephius]

And how would it be that bad really? It's still totally random if your loot will drop or not. So being able to go in on 25man and miss out on your drop from the 6 pieces of loot that dropped and then going back in on 10 for another chance, even though it's much smaller does nothing to mess with the game. Other then yeah, once people have all their loot they might take time to actually look at the dungeons and raids and realize it's just more of the same

Because there are supposed to be tradeoffs to doing 10s and 25s, that was the whole point of splitting them up. The upside of 25s is a higher chance of your loot dropping, and fights that are more forgiving of mistakes (al'akir the exception) but obviously its harder to get 25 people to coordinate and your likelyhood of being with retards increases. In 10s you get less loot but it's easier to get a solid core and roll through content. If you take away shared lockouts then there's almost no downside to doing 10s since you can just pick up the loot you need in a half-assed 25 man pug later.

And if you think content is boring is boring and you don't like class homogenization then I don't know what to tell you, the game has been heading in this direction for like 2 years now, did you not see the writing on the wall?

[Kaylia]

All I heard throughout the end of WOTLK was how much better it'd be when you're not forced to raids 25s and don't have to play with the bads and you can finally just raid with your friends! and all that stuff. Now the raids sharing lockouts (but also loot) is killing raiding? Alrighty then...

It would be a completely differents story if they were dropping different loot...

Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. Either bite the bullet that comes with 25 man raiding for a better chance of an item dropping, or stick with your tight knit group and keep getting 2x spirit plate. I really don't understand how - if you are so bored with the current content - allowing you to do it twice per week will help anything. All it does is placate the whiners who don't see their loot drop and want another shot at it in a PuG. It would also completely nullify the incentive to do 25 mans in the first place

Because it's fun to play the game with differents people? Because it's better to have something exciting and challenging to look forward than...idk, sitting in oggrimar fishing.

[Meresgi]

Because there are supposed to be tradeoffs to doing 10s and 25s, that was the whole point of splitting them up. The upside of 25s is a higher chance of your loot dropping, and fights that are more forgiving of mistakes (al'akir the exception) but obviously its harder to get 25 people to coordinate and your likelyhood of being with retards increases. In 10s you get less loot but it's easier to get a solid core and roll through content. If you take away shared lockouts then there's almost no downside to doing 10s since you can just pick up the loot you need in a half-assed 25 man pug later.

And if you think content is boring is boring and you don't like class homogenization then I don't know what to tell you, the game has been heading in this direction for like 2 years now, did you not see the writing on the wall?

People would still do 10s and 25s each week, just like before. For the cash, achievements, gear etc etc. There's no difference so I still again, don't see why its a big deal to have separate lockouts. The only reason not to is just because the game wants to pigeon hole you into wasting even more time trying to get what you want, so that you won't leave faster while they very very slowly push out small bits of content.

And I knew class homogenization was going on, I just didn't know it would be THIS bad. I was fine with different types of gear, and yeah it pissed me off when gear dropped no one could use...but again it's still doing that since we only ever ran into that issue in 10mans anyways (I love getting pally gear dropping in our 10mans). They didn't need to dumb down classes this much though. I play a DK and in WoTLK I loved the fact that each of our trees, at the start, could be used for either tanking or dps but then Blizzard decided it was far too difficult for them to maintain that and stupified down the trees

[Cephius]

It would be a completely differents story if they were dropping different loot...

I don't think you're comprehending the idea of a "tradeoff". There has to be an incentive to run 25s otherwise no progression groups would consider it and it just becomes a glorified loot farm. In WoTLK you got better gear. In Cata you get a higher quantity of gear.

Because it's fun to play the game with differents people? Because it's better to have something exciting and challenging to look forward than...idk, sitting in oggrimar fishing.

Raiding is the only thing to do in this game now? Running the same content twice only with 2.5x the people is exciting and challenging? You have yet to make one decent argument on why they should get rid of shared lockouts.

[aurik]

They should get rid of shared lockouts because it gives their player base the freedom to choose to do both styles of raiding.

[Cephius]

Again all I heard when they announced raiding changes was "FINALLY I DONT HAVE TO DO 25s ANYMORE I CAN JUST ROLL WITH MY FRANS" and now we're back to "WAH I WANT FREEDOMZ!" It's seriously such a grass-is-always-greener attitude.

[aurik]

See, people who thought they "had" to do 25s pre-cata are the dumb. Don't be bothered by the opinions of the dumb.

[Katlan]

This is what this thread has turned into:
Complaint > complaint > defense > defense > calling ppl weeaboo's and idiots > complaint > defense.

This is a great random complaint thread. I'm complaining about the random complaint thread being the scum of this forum section

[Tajin]

We had this argument about 7 pages ago. Somebody phone the architect to fix the matrix.

[Correction]

I’m not sure what the game would look like if Pummel and Kick and Wind Shear had 30 second cooldowns. Clearly we’d have to redesign a lot of other abilities, mechanics, and numbers to make it work. Again, this isn’t a change you’ll see anytime soon. But it might feel better in the long run if we could get to that point.

GC trollin'

[Meresgi]

GC trollin'

That would be amazing, healers would never die! As a melee dps that makes me happy /trollface

Raiding is the only thing to do in this game now?

There's more? Certainly you jest sir. And i'm serious, there is nothing really to do other then achievement grinding at this point.

Again all I heard when they announced raiding changes was "FINALLY I DONT HAVE TO DO 25s ANYMORE I CAN JUST ROLL WITH MY FRANS" and now we're back to "WAH I WANT FREEDOMZ!" It's seriously such a grass-is-always-greener attitude.

apparently you feel that way because you read those statements totally out of context. People didn't have an issue doing 10s and 25s, they had a problem with 25s being the only source of the top gear and 10s being a step down slightly. And some had different BiS loot in different areas at times so you had to maybe run a 10man for a trinket and a 25man for the other trinket.

People would now run 25s and 10s during the same week if they wanted to, or just do 10s or 25s depending. They could do some 25s and then if there were not enough people logging on do some 10s w/o the fear of later in the week people logging on and now you can't do 25s.

[Falaras]

All I heard throughout the end of WOTLK was how much better it'd be when you're not forced to raids 25s and don't have to play with the bads and you can finally just raid with your friends! and all that stuff. Now the raids sharing lockouts (but also loot) is killing raiding? Alrighty then...

Well, as someone who loves 10 mans as a guild but did 25 mans as a pug, I welcomed the loot change and still do. The loot that 10 mans got was just so unbalanced compared to what 25 mans got. I don't like shared lock outs though, just give us two chances a week at the same loot by puging 25s and guilding 10s or vice versa.

[Kaylia]

I don't think you're comprehending the idea of a "tradeoff". There has to be an incentive to run 25s otherwise no progression groups would consider it and it just becomes a glorified loot farm. In WoTLK you got better gear. In Cata you get a higher quantity of gear.

Are you real? You're the one who fail to comprehend the situation if you think it can only black and white.

Yes, 25m can use additional reward since they are harder (not really), but you could also reward the players who works even harder and do both? No? In the end, all the matter is how accessible content is, and if the progress is well paced.



There is also a fundamental difference between 0 and 1, and 1 and 2 attempts attempt. Being forced to do 25 man with pug when you have nothing to fall back on was retarded, but in the current games, it wouldn't be as bad.

Raiding is the only thing to do in this game now?

If you're not into pvp, and played for over 2 weeks, then yes, pretty much.

Or maybe you think that fishing and archeology are on par with raiding?

Running the same content twice only with 2.5x the people is exciting and challenging? You have yet to make one decent argument on why they should get rid of shared lockouts.

It's not my fault if your incredibly shallow opinion prevent you from understanding that other players enjoy differents thing. Pugging and guild progress are two differents things, and being forced to to pick one over the other is stupid.

Pug are relaxing, can be done whenever you want, with only a few friends that aren't serious about raiding. They are less efficient than a guild usually, but you can still accomplish nice thing. Having two raids lock allowed you to get the best of both world.

Again all I heard when they announced raiding changes was "FINALLY I DONT HAVE TO DO 25s ANYMORE I CAN JUST ROLL WITH MY FRANS" and now we're back to "WAH I WANT FREEDOMZ!" It's seriously such a grass-is-always-greener attitude.

"IM CEPHIUS AND IM USING CAPLOCK TO MAKE PEOPLE SOUND STUPID TO JUSTIFY MY OPINION WITH FALACIES".

Yes, let's quote people out of context, put word in their mouth, and pretend their opinion is stupid

[Katlan]

*GRABS THE POPCORN*

Spoiler: show

caps used on purpose

[Cephius]

Are you real? You're the one who fail to comprehend the situation if you think it can only black and white.

Yes, 25m can use additional reward since they are harder (not really), but you could also reward the players who works even harder and do both? No? In the end, all the matter is how accessible content is, and if the progress is well paced.

No, it's because I comprehend it from Blizzard's standpoint. Like I've said, I understand why you don't like it but from their standpoint they still need to give guilds some kind of incentive to run 25s.

It's not my fault if your incredibly shallow opinion prevent you from understanding that other players enjoy differents thing. Pugging and guild progress are two differents things, and being forced to to pick one over the other is stupid.

It's not my fault that you feel that you're entitled to multiple chances at the same gear in a week. It's always been one chance per lockout, I'm not sure why you think this would or should change. If not being able to PuG hurts your enjoyability of the game, you can always level an alt.

Pug are relaxing, can be done whenever you want, with only a few friends that aren't serious about raiding. They are less efficient than a guild usually, but you can still accomplish nice thing. Having two raids lock allowed you to get the best of both world.

Solved by leveling an alt and running with that, which is what I see people doing anyway. The only justifiable reason for wanting to get rid of shared lockouts is so you can gear up faster, which is fine, but Blizzard has made it pretty clear they're not going to do that.

[Izzy]

25 man was necessary when they had different loot. Now that they have the same loot, what's so bad about adding 25 man raids for casuals that want to pug for more crap to do?

The complaint was ALWAYS about not having access to the gear, not about having to do 25 man stuff.