Random Complaint Thread

[aurik]

Lock should be afflic/demo dualspec. Both could even be useful on Rhyolith depending where your raid opts to assign them. I like how your statement however completely avoids the fact that destruction is pure bad, so unless you're just clicking randomly on everyone's spec, it's a safe assumption that said lock uses destruction sometimes. Don't call me bad for assuming that you put up a used spec when someone asks for your damned raid comp.
Hitting superheated before you transition is bad dps. Still wiping isn't really bad, but it's still subpar healing and dps.
I have no idea what your counting tank specs thing is about. Feral is the only other possible tank spec...are you 2tanking Rhyolith? If so, I take it back, your DPS is fine and your strategy is dumb. For all I know, the dude could be cat only, and you have your normal 2nd tank sitting out for a 1-tank fight. Most 10mans I know of have 11-12 people, so forgive me for not knowing exactly how you run. You're really grasping here.

Lock is afflic/demo/destro triplespec, of course. What spec he runs for that fight, it changes based on what we're trying to do to maximize dps. So sue me for dragging him over as destro instead of another. Still, I'm not asking for help here--I'm pointing out that our dps is bad. After all, we have every DPS buff and our DPS are generally not ranking on WoL for normal-mode fights. And that's taking into account that a lot of the better players aren't ranking on normal modes anymore because they're killing heroic bosses.

Hitting superheated before we transition is bad dps. Stacking superheated 3-4 times before we transition and then wiping doesn't reflect at all on the healing, we die to the second stomp because it's hitting for 12 fucktons with an additional 120k+ rdps of incoming damage from the aura. Coming up 13% short on baleroc with 7 dps is bad dps. My complaint is our dps is bad, which it is. So stop being a retard thinking that I'm seeking advice from you. I'm not in the habit of seeking advice from retards.

[FailureMidgard]

Clearly it's all my fault. I disagreed with you once (and was correct), thus I am a retard forever. We'll ignore the fact I was correct though. My retardedness is of course related to the fact I disagreed with you. My bad, even though it remains correct. I am also so sorry for saying that you have a shit spec in your raid. Also, again, some people actually have more than 10 people in their 10man group. I'm actually shocked if you only have 10 and rely on everyone to have 100% attendance. Must be a nice situation to be in. Don't worry, the following advice is not for you, it's for everyone else that read this thread:

Destruction is a dead spec. It does -not- bring 5% crit to the raid, because all 3 warlock specs pick that up. It does less dps in -every- situation than -both- of the other 2 specs. (Okay, it has some small amount of <3sec burst potential...for like heroic conclave wind platform or if you really have nobody else in your raid that can break rageface...but you'd have to have a raid full of warlocks and melee at that point) If you have a lock, get them to use the other specs. Oh, and I'm a "retard" for realizing every spec can pick this up. The "SMRT" way is to think that if a talent is in first tier destro, only destro locks get it! ^^


Edit: Adding this edit Aurik put on the last page, just so he doesn't go edit it out:

Yes, I too prefer to have 5% less crit chance on target, and no that feral is fulltime DPS; when we have to tank switch we just have our shamans enchant rockbiter weapon.

[aurik]

I don't need to edit it out, my point stands: cutting the warlock is stupid, as he plays all 3 specs, and by the way he's the only one that ever measures up dps-wise on WoL. Maybe you should have asked before making an assumption. When you make assumptions you make yourself look like an idiot. Much like when you assumed that the feral was possibly dps only, when there's no other character in the raid that could possibly be an alt-spec tank.

Much like you made the assumption that I want your advice at all. This is the random complaint thread, not the random question thread. If I was asking a question I'd have posted there instead of here. I'm not seeking advice, and in particular your advice because several times you've shown yourself to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic basket. The funny part is that you totally agree with me that our dps is bad but you're so butthurt about your bruised ego you can't just plain say "I agree, your dps is bad" but instead have some sort of perverse need to "offer advice".

By the way we have only 10, 100% attendance. BE SHOCKED.

[Slott]

Sorry, but have to agree with FailureMidgard, destro is the worst warlock spec and has really no place in any fight unless you need shadowfury for a stun. Demo is way better aoe, and afflic will out single/double/triple target dps it. All specs bring 5% crit. In addition, having every raid buff isn't even remotely necessary in a 10 man. DPS gain from a certain spec over another is way more important than a raid buff that won't cover the dps deficit. By the same token, hasn't combat rogue been lagging behind mutilate for nearly every fight except heroic domo? However maybe you can try these steps to help.

Ignore DPSing the obsidian slimes from volcanos on rhyolith unless they're being AOEd by the same aoe used on fragments. You can kill 1 spark, then have your hunter build up a ton of threat on spark 2, your spark tank taunts and kites (use cheetah form) 3rd spark spawns, hunter builds threat, feral taunts and kites, etc etc.

We 3 heal it and ignore obsidians (in 10m, it can only get 5% armor back, not the full 10) but we kill all sparks but 4th. idk it all comes down to driving really as well. Hero when superheated has 50s left to go.

[Cri]

No point trying to convince this kid, hes just mad he and his guild with 100% attendance are bad.

[aurik]

Sorry, but have to agree with FailureMidgard, destro is the worst warlock spec and has really no place in any fight unless you need shadowfury for a stun. Demo is way better aoe, and afflic will out single/double/triple target dps it. All specs bring 5% crit. In addition, having every raid buff isn't even remotely necessary in a 10 man. DPS gain from a certain spec over another is way more important than a raid buff that won't cover the dps deficit. By the same token, hasn't combat rogue been lagging behind mutilate for nearly every fight except heroic domo?

Lacking weapons for mutilate.

And gosh how many times to I have to say "he plays all 3 specs" before this sinks in? I think he was playing the spec with hellfire (demo I think?) on Ryolith once our driving improved to the point where hellfire wasn't causing himself to suicide because of volcano stacks.

[aurik]

No point trying to convince this kid, hes just mad he and his guild with 100% attendance are bad.

Yes, that's pretty much why I'm mad. 4-6 hr raid weeks and zero public recruitment means we have trouble getting players of my caliber.

But anyway, convince me of what, that I dragged the wrong warlock spec across?

Already owned up to that one. Anything else?

[FailureMidgard]

Sorry, but have to agree with FailureMidgard, destro is the worst warlock spec and has really no place in any fight unless you need shadowfury for a stun. Demo is way better aoe, and afflic will out single/double/triple target dps it. All specs bring 5% crit. In addition, having every raid buff isn't even remotely necessary in a 10 man. DPS gain from a certain spec over another is way more important than a raid buff that won't cover the dps deficit. By the same token, hasn't combat rogue been lagging behind mutilate for nearly every fight except heroic domo? However maybe you can try these steps to help.

Ignore DPSing the obsidian slimes from volcanos on rhyolith unless they're being AOEd by the same aoe used on fragments. You can kill 1 spark, then have your hunter build up a ton of threat on spark 2, your spark tank taunts and kites (use cheetah form) 3rd spark spawns, hunter builds threat, feral taunts and kites, etc etc.

We 3 heal it and ignore obsidians (in 10m, it can only get 5% armor back, not the full 10) but we kill all sparks but 4th. idk it all comes down to driving really as well. Hero when superheated has 50s left to go.

Combat isn't bad for Rhyo. A lot of blade flurry may hit a target you don't care about, but you'll still get free dmg on the 2nd leg I want to say about ~50% of the time.

To Aurik. I never said cut the warlock. I said destro has no place in raids. Have him spec a useful spec. Oops sorry, didn't mean to give you advice, my bad. Also, I really am super jealous your entire raid is 100% attendance. I think you're in the minority though, so no, I'm not retarded for wondering if your feral is full-time DPS (not assuming, wondering). You're quite retarded for assuming every group is like yours though. Hint: that is never the case. Oh ya, and my initial post said nothing about your DPS at all, but was merely pointing out a problem with your DPS. IM SO SORRY FOR TRYING TO GIVE YOU GOOD ADVICE. Speaking of a bruised ego, you out of nowhere attacked me for making a comment that is 100% correct. Fuck off.

[Cri]

Yes, that's pretty much why I'm mad. 4-6 hr raid weeks and zero public recruitment means we have trouble getting players of my caliber.

But anyway, convince me of what, that I dragged the wrong warlock spec across?

Already owned up to that one. Anything else?

Sure if you are so amazing, /gquit and join my guild cause we need a Resto Druid as our Hpally is leaving us in the next few weeks but is staying til we find a replacement.

edit: stop being so mad brah its "just" a game
edit: you passed the armory test, gear, gems, spec, glyphs, forging all looks right gogo...!

[aurik]

To Aurik. I never said cut the warlock. I said destro has no place in raids. Have him spec a useful spec. Oops sorry, didn't mean to give you advice, my bad. Also, I really am super jealous your entire raid is 100% attendance. I think you're in the minority though, so no, I'm not retarded for wondering if your feral is full-time DPS (not assuming, wondering). You're quite retarded for assuming every group is like yours though. Hint: that is never the case. Oh ya, and my initial post said nothing about your DPS at all, but was merely pointing out a problem with your DPS. IM SO SORRY FOR TRYING TO GIVE YOU GOOD ADVICE. Speaking of a bruised ego, you out of nowhere attacked me for making a comment that is 100% correct. Fuck off.

The warlock is actually demo for this fight.

Also 100% attendance isn't all that great, it means if one person is late / has a scheduling conflict then the whole raid night is canned. That's why we have such short raid weeks, we often has mass rescheduling. I think our raid schedule hasn't been the same 2 days more than 2 weeks in a row since June.

I'll take that "fuck off" as a "I agree with you", because I know you're not man enough to say it yourself.

[Correction]

Sure is ladies swinging purses at each other in here.

Why is it that when I need my last 200VP for the week that I get (in any order), Grim Batol, SFK and Deadmines almost exclusively?

[Meresgi]

Sure is ladies swinging purses at each other in here.

Why is it that when I need my last 200VP for the week that I get (in any order), Grim Batol, SFK and Deadmines almost exclusively?

How don't you cap out for the week just raiding? o_O I love not having to do any damn randoms during the week.

[Correction]

I got alts to feed mang.

[BadKarma]

Sure is ladies swinging purses at each other in here.

Why is it that when I need my last 200VP for the week that I get (in any order), Grim Batol, SFK and Deadmines almost exclusively?

Because the flying spaghetti monster laughs at you.

[Arvin]

For the record, Warlocks are not a terrible class at all. They top aoe on heroic rag as demo, and top other fights either as demo or afflic

[FailureMidgard]

For the record, Warlocks are not a terrible class at all. They top aoe on heroic rag as demo, and top other fights either as demo or afflic

Nobody said warlocks were terrible, only that destro was useless [implied: relative to the other 2 specs]. Afflic and Demo both have their place, and any good warlock who doesn't have a pvp dualspec is prob afflic/demo as his 2 specs. Warlocks are an amazing class though.

[BadKarma]

But the difference between a truly good lock and a bad one is instantly noticeable.

[Kaylia]

Re: CC in heroics. There is such thing as too much CC, though 1 thing being CC'd isn't quite that. It's quite irritating IMO though when you have a solid group and 3 people all feel they need to CC every damn pack. A tank that doesn't want CC can easily break the 1, breaking multiples just gets irritating if you are trying to pull stuff back or otherwise lacking in a "Good" aoe cc breaker!

A good group doesn't pull thing back, it just fight! And blizzard made it so that there is no more (or almost none) overlapping patrol in 5man.

Anyway, I understand all this, but I know paladin tank too well, and the cc I did wouldnt have stopped anyone from breaking them with hammer.

[The Stig]

Anyway, I understand all this, but I know paladin tank too well, and the cc I did wouldnt have stopped anyone from breaking them with hammer.

During the earlier days of Cata when I was DPSing one, we CCed something and the paladin pulled with exo. I told him to throw his shield at it because it's smart enough to not hit CCed targets (if unglyphed). He told me to stfu and he knows paladin too well, so I shouldn't be telling him how to pull lol

[Tajin]

fuck the fuck pulls with exorcism, lol, dumb fucks