Random Complaint Thread

[Meresgi]

Can't form premades with more than 5. Also if you join with a premade of less than 5 you're like guaranteed to get all pugs on your team and 2/3 sets of 5 on the opposing.

AV Preform Enabler. Shit makes those achievements in BGs easy as fuck to get now. Did Perfect Storm, some of the "win by narrow margin" achievements and others just because we had a full group.

[aurik]

I wish they would just bring back queueing as a raid. AV preform doesn't work so great when you're trying to queue 8-9 into a 10v10 BG.

[Meresgi]

I wish they would just bring back queueing as a raid. AV preform doesn't work so great when you're trying to queue 8-9 into a 10v10 BG.

Just have to have patience and make sure people don't hit enter till you confirm you're all on the right BG queue. I agree the raid queuing needs to be brought back. Sure it sucked to get into a BG against a premade, but it was a fast loss or even a win sometimes if the premade was shit. It made doing BGs with more then 4 other guildies a blast back in the day.

BGs are such a pain in the dick to do while trying to grind honor as 20% of the people are just afk bots and the other 70% should consider being afk bots.

[aurik]

Removing raid queueing didn't stop 6+ people premades, people still do it all the time with AV preform or just simul-queueing with vent coordination (it just takes twice as long in small BGs because 50% of queues fail to pop simul) meaning you're still coming up against large coordinated groups.

I don't random-BG unless I have at least 3-4 people to queue with that I trust to not be shit, because otherwise it's just too frustrating dealing with the morons, the bots, and the pve heroes wearing zero resilience and greens/blues.

[Aksannyi]

I don't even mind the random aspect of it, since I don't really have a guild on my server and I tend to play on my own anyway, so I take what I get when it comes to BGs. I just hate that one dickhead guy that pops up in BGs and calls everyone shit. Random BGs are made specifically so that the lowest of the low, just dinged 85 can join and at least gain something. It just pisses me off when people bitch about the team when they're the one who rolled the dice by clicking the queue in the first place.

Again, which isn't to say I don't get angry when people are being stupid. Let's cap a base then all run off? Seriously? Oh, we're not going to protect our flag carrier? Oh, just gonna let them pick up the flag they just dropped? All that is annoying as motherfuck but I just quietly finish off the BG and move on with my life.

[Plow]

Just have to have patience and make sure people don't hit enter till you confirm you're all on the right BG queue. I agree the raid queuing needs to be brought back. Sure it sucked to get into a BG against a premade, but it was a fast loss or even a win sometimes if the premade was shit. It made doing BGs with more then 4 other guildies a blast back in the day.

BGs are such a pain in the dick to do while trying to grind honor as 20% of the people are just afk bots and the other 70% should consider being afk bots.

There is no confirming you all got the same queue, they removed the numbers a long, long time ago. I understand how that works perfectly (see: http://www.queueq.net ), but it's still a pain in the ass and you're just gaming the system to create unfair matchups, which kind of defeats the purpose of playing pvp unless you're doing it purely to gain honor.

[aurik]

I prefer to see it as minimizing the amount of absolutely terrible pubs I have to deal with.

[The Stig]

Raid leader brought in 2 main raiders, which happens to be their neighbour. Paladin tank/healer offspec and a holy/disc priest.

I'm rotated to DPS as we have a long standing member who is a Paladin tank/healer offspec.

Couldn't down heroic ultraxion last week. We were technically "1 DPS" down (me, when tanking). 2 tanks at 10k DPS vs me at 35k DPS and a ret paladin at even 25k DPS would be sufficient.

Hopefully they'll realise how pitiful this all is and have one of them go DPS.

Except me, no one else can perform their off roles at 100% (the pallies are shit at healing/not geared, and the main healers can't dps...)

Gonna have problems tonight when we get to Yoshi ... if they insist of the Pallies tank it I'm gonna laugh and go mute.

[Correction]

MY.
GUILD.
CANNOT.
FUCKING.
DO.
HEROIC.
HAGARA.

[The Stig]

MY.
GUILD.
CANNOT.
FUCKING.
DO.
HEROIC.
HAGARA.

Oh god if your's can't then I have 0 hope for mine.

[Correction]

It's a function of how many members you have to spoon feed strats. We consistently have 1-2 people who don't watch videos or otherwise research strategies, so we have to tell them everything. This has served us okay so far through 3/8 hardmodes but hagara's execution threshold is just a brick wall. Healing? Fine. Tanking? Ehhh, our bear knows what he's doing. But we have 2 dps derping it up on lightning and most people failing to get into position for lances, which kills us very quickly on every attempt. When we do survive lances, we have people not noticing tomb beacons and LOSing the tank during her swipes. It's been agony making millimeters of progress at a time. Maybe things will snap into place one we clean up our lance phases.

[aurik]

Hagara on 10 is extremely execution dependent. You really need to call people out when they don't do things correctly. For example, everyone should have an assigned position for lightning. There is NO EXCUSE for people not being in their assigned spot when the chain starts.

Lances really aren't a big problem anymore with 15% debuff, you can safely take it up to like 7-8 meaning you only have to switch once. We have pairs at ranged that swap off, but it's not the end of the world if someone takes a few extra.

Tombs, again, when they get marked need to run to the assigned location (should be in a place where it won't cause LoS). Again there is NO EXCUSE for people not being in the assigned spot, that is priority #1 for everyone.

Drop some raid markers on the floor and start yelling at people when they aren't in the right place.

[Plow]

It's a function of how many members you have to spoon feed strats. We consistently have 1-2 people who don't watch videos or otherwise research strategies, so we have to tell them everything. This has served us okay so far through 3/8 hardmodes but hagara's execution threshold is just a brick wall. Healing? Fine. Tanking? Ehhh, our bear knows what he's doing. But we have 2 dps derping it up on lightning and most people failing to get into position for lances, which kills us very quickly on every attempt. When we do survive lances, we have people not noticing tomb beacons and LOSing the tank during her swipes. It's been agony making millimeters of progress at a time. Maybe things will snap into place one we clean up our lance phases.

wait 3/8 and working on hagara? you should be doing either ultrax or zonozz first, both a lot easier than her

the key to lances is having people stand close to the boss, and then you just have to relentlessly bitch until people stop being fucktarded about them

[Correction]

We did Chok > Skittles > Ultrax
There's concern that our mages are too shitty right now for zonozz.
We picked Hagara because she doesn't really have a dps requirement as long as folks move to the right places at the right times.

[Meresgi]

wait 3/8 and working on hagara? you should be doing either ultrax or zonozz first, both a lot easier than her

the key to lances is having people stand close to the boss, and then you just have to relentlessly bitch until people stop being fucktarded about them

For lance tanking we had 2 ranged for each ice lance zone to block them. Also we had rogues use smokebombs on the boss so melee didnt get hit by that shit.

[Plow]

We did Chok > Skittles > Ultrax
There's concern that our mages are too shitty right now for zonozz.
We picked Hagara because she doesn't really have a dps requirement as long as folks move to the right places at the right times.

Zonozz is way, way, way easier than Hagara. Enough so that there's even a multitude of ways you can go about it depending on your guild's strengths and weaknesses. I'd highly recommend going for him next week instead of hagara.

I actually haven't heard of a single guild anywhere that has gotten Hagara before Ultrax or Zonozz at all.

[SamanosukeShiva]

my guild did, although it took us way more attempts than other HMs (8-10 ish), after we got hag, we moved to ultrax and zonozz, 1 shotted ultrax, 2 shotted zonozz.

[Odon]

Zonozz is way, way, way easier than Hagara. Enough so that there's even a multitude of ways you can go about it depending on your guild's strengths and weaknesses. I'd highly recommend going for him next week instead of hagara.

I actually haven't heard of a single guild anywhere that has gotten Hagara before Ultrax or Zonozz at all.

My guild did Hagara second after Morcock before the 5% nerf.

[Plow]

ok so some guilds that are actually good did, makes sense since it's a pure execution fight I suppose

[aurik]

Hagara is always #2 in 25 man, not sure if Odon runs 10s or 25s.