Job Adjustments and Additions Part I (03/26/2009)

[Shinta]

In the end, damage taken only modifies two things, Cura and Banish. So it's not like you have to get hit constantly unless Cura is just way better than anyone expects.

[Ultimagi]

Also affects Esuna.

Edit: Auspice too.

[shaddix]

I am hoping cura is way better than everyone expects

[Shinta]

Also affects Esuna.

Edit: Auspice too.

No it doesn't. Being in Misery stance augments those, not damage.

[The Blackrose]

Also affects Esuna.

Edit: Auspice too.

Only thing I don't see there is if the damage taken modifier is present in those two spells (sort of hope it does). Wish they clarified a little bit more.

[Ultimagi]

That is unclear, it could increase the variety of effects removed based on the Misery modifier, and increase the Light damage and Accuracy bonus as well.

[ringthree]

Misery only records the most recent damage taken, a poison potion or sublimation is not going to help.

You don't know this, you don't know anything about it yet. How do you know it isn't ticks versus direct damage or anything else for that matter?

I hate when people make blanket statements of fact about something that hasn't even been implemented yet, and they do so from decent but obviously not perfect translation from Japanese.

[Shinta]

- Cura (Lv40)
Restores HP for party members within area of effect.
Casting Cura while Afflatus Misery is activated grants a potency bonus to the spell based on the most recent damage you sustain.
The record of damage taken is reset upon use.

- Esuna (Lv61)
Removes one enfeebling effect from yourself and party members within area of effect.
Casting Esuna while Afflatus Misery is activated grants a bonus to the number and variety of enfeebling effects removed.

- Auspice (Lv55)
Reduces TP dealt when striking an enemy for party members within area of effect.
When cast upon a white mage for whom Afflatus Misery is activated, Auspice also adds light damage to initial attacks and bestows an accuracy bonus when target is missed.

- Banish / Banish II / Banish III / Banishga / Banishga II
Casting the above Banish spells while Afflatus Misery is activated grants a potency bonus to the spell based on the most recent damage you sustain.
The record of damage taken is reset upon use.

Seems like it's just Cura and Banish to me, guess we'll see in April.

[Day]

I was getting ready to say does FFXI have a test realm or something you guys are freaking eggsperts!

[Ashira]

Ah, I see! I'd misunderstood it differently in regards to 'recent' damage... actually, no, I know what confused me, it was the Cura/Auspice "resetting" the damage thing... hm.

So then it's just a matter of getting thwacked for different amounts to try and graph out numbers. Hmmmm. Definitely need people to help with that, that can get hate back right away so WHM can test with number recorded.

I wonder if Cura will be an insta-cast, that makes sense and would definitely make it different than the Curaga line. WHM gets hit while in close range, Cura = instant cast with the modifiers, WHM and others around are healed.

And seriously, the Martyr being cure range distance now made me so super happy - if only they'd do the same with Devotion.

I really hope Holy mods with Solace+cured HP give some awesome bonuses to the spell, it doesn't make much sense to have it completely reset the numbers if it does poop dmg still...

[Ashira]

omg time for more whm krt pts with Misery

[Shinta]

omg time for more whm krt pts with Misery

That's what I was thinking, can't think of another time to use Banish like that.

[Ashira]

That's what I was thinking, can't think of another time to use Banish like that.

Well, the En-Light and Accuracy Bonus too, plus Subtle Blow... will be yum.

[Shin Volcano]

Why will you even bring a SCH or BLM to magical resistant HNM in the first place? SCH is as pathetic as BLM in term of damage output and can't keep up with WHM and RDM in term of support. Kaeko's attempt to play down BLM by saying that SCH is at least slightly more useful in magic resistant HNM fight is like saying SAM is slightly better than WAR in Genbu fight.

I had to really laugh at this part, i don't know what kind of SCHS you have seen but i'v had very little issues, SCH is not there to "NUKE" HNms like a blm, when it comes to HNM there ar3 roles a SCH does.

1 Tank Pt support, With the exception of tiamat and this is only because i personaly have a maxed whm for him anyway But obviously Stoneskin, Phalanx, if you can keep them up, Healing isn't that big of an issue, same goes with Khim, Cerberus, all i have successfuly done as a sch with no problems, outperfomring a modern WHM in those aspects

2 Tiamat and khim are BLM heavy fights (not so much khim but some lses do it) SCh can support the blm pt with weather and klimaform, a rotation if you have more then 1, which DOEs indeed help, and i have seen good results

3 they CAN stona, that needs no explanation there.

SCH is no better than RDM/WHM/BLM in their corresponding field. Otherwise, ppl would have seen more SCH in HNM scene.

SCH IS better in most situation then those Jobs, again, learn how SCH is played correcntly and you will realize how very one sided this statement you just said is, i have tried,done and tested it on ALL HNMs and have seen no negative sides that made me say "ok, i won't be bringing SCH anymore" outperformed whm for the most part and unless you have meele crying about haste and mages about refresh, or there is already a RDM taking care of enfeebling they outperform them to. like all jobs they don't work with EVERY SINGLE thing, but in most? yes they do.

P/S: lack of curaga is a big thing is salvage. All gear/rampart/chariots have nasty aoe TP moves and they tend to spam it. And curaga can significantly cut the mp cost. Most SCH sub RDM in salvage for phalanx (again highly overrated) thus have no access to curaga, stragtem charges on 1min timer just wont cut it. You will be surprised what difference it makes to cast 3 separate Cure III instead of one Curaga II, even for RDM with fastcast it still take considerable amount of time.

Lack of curaga?that's what STONESKIN is for, they comeplty negate the damage done by those aoes, so you don't even need a "curaga spam" for them, lol you know what accession is, right? that aoes all ehancing and ....CURE spells. OVERRATED? LOL they sub it because whm is a COMEPLETY USELESS SUB for sch because they already have acces to all the spells needed from that sub, they don't NEED curaga because they can aoe there cures... so in a way, they have curaga, learn to use your charges... if you are ina situation where you are getting spamed with aoes, you either have to many DD on it, or you don't use mnks, and by then, even if you spaming curaga and some point you will grab hate or run out of mp to begin with, Stoneskin to negate the damagem phlanx to cut down the damage done, making that stoneskin last that much longer, wonder why you are even having a issue with this, cause i sure as hell havn't again, salvage is certainly the one event i can say SCH works better then any other mage job, even a zone as shitty with cell drops as AR i have done as a 6 man as SCH being the only healer aside a brd/whm and have farmed every NM (did flayer) and boss they are cell dependant, but if cells are distrubuted smartly then it should not be a problem, my group had no problem giving sch the ability, magic and subjob cell 1st because it was smarter to live and not take any damage then somone doing a ws and haveing a high risk of dying.

What other role can SCH play in Salvage apart from support? DD? lol

what other role DOES any mage have in salavge aside support or DD?

Seriously....learn how a job works before making these type of judgments...

[arus2001]

I'd rather main heal on SCH than RDM. Unfortunately, the biggest trouble I have healing on SCH is my DDs running away from Stoneskinga or Enspellga.

[Ultimagi]

- Afflatus Misery
While Afflatus Misery is activated, the most recent damage you sustain will be recorded up to a limit determined by your character's level. This damage amount will determine the bonus value granted to specific spells. Unlike Afflatus Solace, it is non-accumulative and overwriting.

It's not speculation, it's literacy.

[Ahlah]

I had to really laugh at this part, i don't know what kind of SCHS you have seen but i'v had very little issues, SCH is not there to "NUKE" HNms like a blm, when it comes to HNM there ar3 roles a SCH does.

I don't know what kind of pots you are smoking. Your post is full of ridiculous argument I doubt you actually know what you are talking about.

There is nothing a SCH can do that a WHM can't in endgame situation whereas there are many situation your tank will want a WHM not a SCH. Stoneskinga to the rescue? you got to be kidding me. I laughed when some amateurs try to educate me on how to do salvage.

[Shin Volcano]

I don't know what kind of pots you are smoking. Your post is full of ridiculous argument I doubt you actually know what you are talking about.

Oh yes, i mean since i have acttualy DONE THIS CRAP MY SELF AND HAVE SEEN IT i have NO clue what 'im talking about, omg what was i thinking? Because personal Expriance means absolutly nothing, right?

There is nothing a SCH can do that a WHM can't in endgame situation whereas there are many situation your tank will want a WHM not a SCH. Stoneskinga to the rescue? you got to be kidding me. I laughed when some amateurs try to educate me on how to do salvage.

lmao, ok now you are just being comeplty stubborn, because the tanks i had preferd SCH over whm because it was a BETTER choice due to damage migration, because stoneskina nd phalanx together is so useless and not worth it, i'm the one laughing here, have you even unlocked sch yet? seriously, if you want to make these type of dumb posts at LEAST know what you are talking about, i have JUST stated i have been in these situations, WHM served nothing more then a raise 3 and spike cure job for the most part, the ONLY reason i preferd it for tiamat is because i merited barspell and shell to max due to her massive fire damage attacks, and i was even ASKED to use SCH on it (because sch is so useless it is asked) but i said i prefer whm to make it easier on me.. your comment is acctually the other way around, i laugh at amaturs like you period who think they know jobs but really just go by what idiot #1 and idiot#2 says is better. find a SCH that KNOWs how to use it, then you might see.



This is what really got me tho, i mean...really...

I laughed when some amateurs try to educate me on how to do salvage.

I have done every single area, as sch every NM with sch..and have had no isses...with SCH, i don't know when salvage was so ridiculously hard to where you can ONLY use whm/rdm/blm (blm..are you serious?) oNLY in salvage or you will fail, sounds to me like you still need to do some learning...or stuck in 2004.

[Arthars]

dood, stfu already and go make a sch thread of your own.

remember to label it "Lede says so, no disagreement/argument"

most of the stuffs you posted are garbage

i still cant believe people think sch are the ultimate game breaking jobs even if you can play it extremely well.

w/o haste and refresh? gtfo my party.

we have lived without stoneskinga and etcyourschcando for 4 years. we dont need them now.

justify all you want on your uber sch.

we dont really care. if you really think your that great. good for you

/clap

[Shin Volcano]

dood, stfu already and go make a sch thread of your own.

remember to label it "Lede says so, no disagreement/argument"

most of the stuffs you posted are garbage

THis idiot again....your posts don't even make sense...did you even graduate from school yet? I only deal with IQs at least above 10...At least.....

OK since you can edit i will to.

w/o haste and refresh? gtfo my party.

LOL i mean........no just...LOL.

we have lived without stoneskinga and etcyourschcando for 4 years. we dont need them now.

We can also live without refresh and haste.....your point? just because the oppertunity to make things harder on your self is there dosn't mean it has to be.

justify all you want on your uber sch.

we dont really care. if you really think your that great. good for you

Wait.....somone acttualy cares about you? it's not a matter of being "great" i think you just like to argue, because i havnt seen an intellegent post from you yet, i don't know why i even bother. don't you have some homework to do?

/clap