Possible Solution to the NASA Bot

[Corrderio]

Here's a thought. You don't convince people because you're not doing a good job. Your ideas suck, and your arguments for them are worse. When you are proven wrong you just restate and then fall back on the equivalent of "SS or it didn't happen." Then you ignore arguments instead of grappling with them. I don't need exposure to your ideas or ways of thinking, I need reasons why I should think that way instead of my own way. Prove, don't claim.

Instead of trying to make an argument about why Hybrid Paladin is useful, even providing a list like I did, you just claim ignorance because I haven't tried it. This is made more ironic by the fact that I only tank things which by your own admission Hybrid Paladins are useless on.

Your "You can't judge it unless you've tried it" argument is stupid. Very clearly there are things you can say are stupid without doing them yourself. Case in point: stabbing yourself in the eye. I've never done it. But I can say it's pretty retarded nonetheless.

Have you ever seen a Hybrid in action? I can gain a shitload of hate from atonement spam that way and do a ton of damage while tanking. And you hardly lose any benefits to your defense whlie you do it. You argue it takes too much accuracy, look at all the accuracy you get off of homam, dorando sushi, and other accuracy gear (Yes I tank in a +1 Hauby) and my hit rate is pretty decent since with it to.

I'm sorry but I see no reason as to why being able to do 700+ atonements more often is a bad idea.

[Max™]

People really kill stuff without Atonement spam besides Khimmykins in Fulm mode?

I've been asked to come help kill (my first) Cerberus because Arcanes was killing him with Atonement basically.

Also: Dorado for the motherfucking win, seriously.

[Seraphus]

Also: Dorado for the motherfucking win, seriously.

Yea, son~

If you seriously don't mind using the defensive capability of a Defending Ring in favor of an accuracy ring, here's the only tip I have for you.

Put DOWN the Taco, Eat Dorado Sushi, and keep the D Ring on, OR put on a god damn skirt and go to the kitchen and make me a fuckin sandwich because you're a dumbass who shouldn't play paladin in the first place.

[Seraph]

People really kill stuff without Atonement spam besides Khimmykins in Fulm mode?

I've been asked to come help kill (my first) Cerberus because Arcanes was killing him with Atonement basically.

Also: Dorado for the motherfucking win, seriously.

My Limbus shell finally did our first "no kite" Omega a few weeks ago. Pretty much two PLDs doing most damage in the melee resistant phase. I was extremely impressed. Hitting for low damage was definitely a bigger issue than missing in those phases though.

[Seraphus]

Can we get a mod fix to the title "[Advanced(?) D Ring Discussion: Page 7+]"

[Gredival]

More damage isn't bad. It's about the costs. If all you mean is eat Dorado Sushi instead of Tacos, then sure. I do that on Fafnir already (if I bother to eat food -- if we have 18 and it's going to die in 5 minutes, I honestly don't care)

But I'm skeptical once you begin going down the "Let's swap Dring for a Woodsman" path. I wouldnt swap out Ethereal/Loquacious/Hades for Suppa or some sort of accuracy earring. I wouldn't idle Hauby over Ares or Valhalla (Avalon, sure if you don't have an Aegis; have at it). And I probably wouldn't swap a Shadow Ring for another accuracy ring or Shadow Mantle (and in relevant cases, Resentment Cape) for Forager's/Cuchulain's

[Corrderio]

I didn't say it's a fulltime, but if I'm not getting hit the D.Ring isn't doing much for me now is it?

[Max™]

This just in: Corrderio is psychic and can tell when he will be hit.

Are you Dr. Manhattan?

Can I see your dong?

[Gredival]

I didn't say it's a fulltime, but if I'm not getting hit the D.Ring isn't doing much for me now is it?

Yes we don't bloodtank /WAR anymore. Irrelevant. That hardly means "Dring is obsolete" (the exact claim you are, or are not, defending depending on the post)

Dring still offers damage mitigation on /NIN from AoEs that go through your shadows (List 1), or you keep Dring on when you're juggling shadow casting (List 2). Which is why you should idle in it and cast shadows in it, but perform Flash/Cures/JA's in enmity rings.

And it's a full time piece for /RDM. And it's still very useful for macros.

[Damane]

I didn't say it's a fulltime, but if I'm not getting hit the D.Ring isn't doing much for me now is it?

its foor this oh shit moments why you idle in d.ring.
I wish it would be sellable, I would sell mine and get another relic or so ._.

[Kaces]

Cerb and Fafnir are the only 2 you can make a case for on Atonement spamming, everything else is... well, if you fought them you'd know, if you didn't you would want to believe Atonement spam is the second coming of Christ.

Anyway all these gearsets and what not argument always end in one word: Situation.

I would like the thread to go back to botting. It's more interesting then 2 people who obviously differ in experience in the end game scene going at it because they want to make sure the other guy knows he's wrong.

[Corrderio]

This just in: Corrderio is psychic and can tell when he will be hit.

Are you Dr. Manhattan?

Can I see your dong?

Hey, gotta do something when you wait for a campaign fight to start or wait for a wave to take it's sweet assed time to come.

EDIT: I charge 4:95/min. for my webcam shows, Max >.>

[Byrthnoth]

I still think there should just be a 5 second window where the monster sits there claimable to anyone, then it randomly picks someone who claimed from the list, assigns hate to them, and resets the list. Take out claim delay, etc. Anyone who isn't afk can claim in 5 seconds, and after that your odds of claim would just be a matter of LS size.

PS. Rich, lets go to Japan and Gaijin Smash the shit out of the JPs to get our accounts back. Then we can go duo Tiamat or something.

[Seraphus]

Rich, lets go to Japan and Gaijin Smash the shit out of the JPs to get our accounts back. Then we can go duo Tiamat or something.

Just have Corrderio do Tiamat with you.

Tiamat will see the Woodsman Ring paladin and brace herself for the coming of god.

[Corrderio]

Yarly.

Anyway, I'm not going back through the thread, but I did like the idea of how a king will aggro a random person in the zone and they'll be claimed to them. Does sound like a nice idea.

[Seraphus]

I don't tank tiamat

Given your comments on Paladin, fixed the quote for what appears to be the actual case.

[Corrderio]

If you read my thread I said a majority of the mobs Gred posted shouldn't even have your sword drawn on. Tiamat being an obvious.

[Seraphus]

Yarly.

Anyway, I'm not going back through the thread, but I did like the idea of how a king will aggro a random person in the zone and they'll be claimed to them. Does sound like a nice idea.

Level 12 Ninja mules go? Utsusemi: Ichi would buy enough time to invite a low level -_-

[richardd]

I still think there should just be a 5 second window where the monster sits there claimable to anyone, then it randomly picks someone who claimed from the list, assigns hate to them, and resets the list. Take out claim delay, etc. Anyone who isn't afk can claim in 5 seconds, and after that your odds of claim would just be a matter of LS size.

PS. Rich, lets go to Japan and Gaijin Smash the shit out of the JPs to get our accounts back. Then we can go duo Tiamat or something.

haha word up man!

[Seraph]

Epic Failure, all of you.

I macro in my Accuracy rings for swings and macro back into Defending Ring between swings. In fact, I macro in all of my DoT gear in just for swings, and back to Idle gear for the short periods in between. Let's not ignore Enmity generating actions, and Atonement. I haven't seen my character's model in months.