Possible Solution to the NASA Bot

[Blabj]

Why not just ban the botters?

[Seraphus]

Would be an interesting aspect of shells had enough courtesy to work something out like 1 leader from each LS randoms, winner takes it lol but people are greedy :<

[Seraphus]

Why not just ban the botters?

Because SE seems to have a really hard time proving who all is actually using a NASA Bot for some reason >_>

[Meat]

wont this just put it back to pre-claim delay days? with the jp's having advantage?

[Cairthenn]

Why not just ban the botters?

Something about losing a large majority of the player base. Combined with salvage bans, the servers would just be empty.

[byte]

Why not just make it so the NM can't be casted on until 5 seconds after it pops......that way its fair game to claim.

This is what SE truly believes.

As then nasa and other packets win again as they work with server delay so they could claim at 5.000000000000001 sec after pop when the normal human would not

You don't need a packet bot to count to 5.

Edited for clarity.

[Corrderio]

Why not just ban the botters?

SE can't detect voke bots apperently.

Allakhazam.com: This is kind of an old news question, but a lot of people still complain that there is heavy use of bots and cheating to get king claims. Can we expect to ever see any changes to the way they are spawned, frequency of spawns, anything like that to try to deter the botting and cheating that goes on?

How do you know these people use tools? On our side, all we really have to work with is the logs and so if there's a tool being used and nothing shows up in the log, then there's really no way we can confirm it, even if a person calls up a GM and says this person is using a tool, Fafnir just "popped purple", we have no way to confirm that on the log side. So... how do you really know they are using tools?

Follow-up: Some people believe that if the spawns were increased there might be less pressure on people to resort to illegal means to get these claims. Is that a philosophy that you agree with or do you think that it's just got to work itself out?

Not really sure... more people might just use tools to get more claims. The tools that show up in the log would be the worst kind of tool, flee tools, warp tools, but if it's something that doesn't show up in the log like claim bots, how do you really know that they're using these tools? Are you sure? How can you be sure? That's the problem.

(Translator comment) Of course it's just a suspicion, right? Of course if there are dozens of people and one person pulls it he's botting, right?

If it's something that people would incessantly raise, something that came to the forefront of discussion constantly then of course it would be a problem that we have to address. But the fact that we're working from the logs and it's something that doesn't show that if we were to take steps then it would be very difficult, we'd have to think of a different approach to solve non-log related bots. Matt's job is to gather all the voices and opinions and get them to us in an orderly fashion.

SOURCE: Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI: Wiki: Fan Festival 2008 Developer Q&A

[Unstable]

This is what SE truly believes.



You don't need a packet bot to count to 5.

no but if it is 5.0secs there is server delay there is cpu delay and such some times you do not see fafnir pop till 6-7 secs after it pops as such lag there. >_> A program can do it every time 100% a human can not

[SephYuyX]

You don't need a packet bot to count to 5.

You do realise there is a HUGE difference btwn 4.999999, 5 and 5.000001 in terms of computing, yes?

[byte]

You do realise there is a HUGE difference btwn 4.999999, 5 and 5.000001 in terms of computing, yes?

Packet is underlined for a reason. My criticism was of the idea that you need to fuck around with packets to make a computer count to 5.

[SephYuyX]

Packet is underlined for a reason. My criticism was of the idea that you need to fuck around with packets to make a computer count to 5.

See the above post by the other guy about the PC not being able to see the pop due to lag, you would need packets to see exactly when it popped, and when the 5secs was up.

[Ker]

Could someone explain to me why Nasa bot is such a huge problem when botting isn't new.

[Seraphus]

Because even in an aery full of bots...

There can only be one.

[_chuchu]

One bot to rule them all

[Seraphus]

My god the guy's natural face in your sig is soooooooooooooooooooo fucking creepy

[Sev]

There are parts of every zone that you can avoid mobs aoe.

[Colenzo]

eh i say AoE poison because i hate fuckers that go afk during windows

[test123]

claim keys in NM claim packets, not that hard

[Ker]

Meh joking aside what will stop someone from making a better bot than Nasa

[Unstable]

One bot to rule them all

Its not NASA then there is something better out there what shits all over it. Just it has not gone public yet and is going to stay that way

Could someone explain to me why Nasa bot is such a huge problem when botting isn't new.

It is better then Xunleashed and ffxi-app as it has a built in linked camping, and it puts you in the order of server lag so have the best delays between claims. Problem is it does not tell you how long the claim shield is up for unlike another bot does...