Possible Solution to the NASA Bot

[Seraphus]

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...re/tissues.jpg

That's probably what led you to get the bot anyway, isn't it?
Way to be the pot calling the kettle black.

[Eanae]

"NASA" isn't the only packet bot avaliable to compete with. Cerberus has real competition and neither ls uses that crappy piece of software. Right Dak? <3

Edit to post above me: I don't use Maury's bot. It's not as great as you all think it is. Tried and tested on Cerberus.

[ringthree]

FFXI is all about luck and chance. There is a chance to get Ridill or E:body in the Aery then go to Einherjar and get E:body + E:body + other stuff

Then go to KB and get D.ring and x2 M:legs (lol)

Then go to Aspid and get an A:body + A:body

Then go to Odin again... c wut i'm doin?

HNMls do this because they have a CHANCE to get these drops all in a short amount of time... this will make a better/more productive LS. Even if it is not likley that all these will drop/get claim

I am not really talking about the mathematics to increase you drop chance, I am talking about avoiding the frustration that leads people to buy $2500 worth of bots that will be useless in a month.

I can get that gear too, and I don't have to spend a small fortune to get it.

[Corrderio]

Ringthree, check your PMs >_>

[ringthree]

i estimate only 10% of each server participate in end game, and even small percentage does Kings. I often see the complaining of kings to be people that have never set foot in Dragon Aery. They hate sitting there for XX hours and blah blah. Most people who do kings on a regular basis know you go afk when it's not 2min before a window. I personally love Kings because it gives me 27min to do something else. Watch a movie, fill out my taxes, file a report for work, homework (when i was still in school). I also love Odin because it's every 2 weeks.

Someone posted a quote from IIfuzz a while back and he even said networking FFXIAPP is more effective then packet botting (NASA). FFXIAPP is bad, but to RMT for a $3000 bot is even worse. You're feeding the RMT business and using a bot.

An answer that is actually based in logic and reason.

I will say though that, depending on what you call end-game, a far larger number of people do it than you suggest. Maybe not all of it, but almost everyone does something. Dynamis, Limbus, ZNM, Sky, Sea, etc., etc. etc.

[DAKPluto]

"NASA" isn't the only packet bot avaliable to compete with. Cerberus has real competition and neither ls uses that crappy piece of software. Right Dak? <3

Edit to post above me: I don't use Maury's bot. It's not as great as you all think it is. Tried and tested on Cerberus.

aye.


But honestly, best fucking claim tool on Cerberus isn't Ka, isn't App, Argus, NASA, XiClaim, etc. Best claim tool is a MeteorShower pearl.

I for the life of me will never understand how those guys do it....

[sleekmotorwurkz]

Yeah, it's bot or GTFO! The Eanae way!

Hey wait is this the part of the thread when we say "everyone does it" so the botters can justify to themselves that its cool to bot? Or did I already miss that, I have to admit tl;dr on this thread but I figure it has to happen at least once in every botting thread.

[Corrderio]

aye.


But honestly, best fucking claim tool on Cerberus isn't Ka, isn't App, Argus, NASA, XiClaim, etc. Best claim tool is a MeteorShower pearl.

I for the life of me will never understand how those guys do it....

MeteorShower? WTF has gone on w/ Cerberus since I transfered?

[Eanae]

MeteorShower? WTF has gone on w/ Cerberus since I transfered?

They don't show up often, so it's mainly WW and Armada, but somehow the JP's always manage to claim when they show up. Latency etc.

[Corrderio]

Sounds like DA on Carby

[Seraphus]

It's all under the precedent that greed begets more greed.

Yes I know people wanna bot everything to get all of the gear for all of their members, the problem is that many people just don't know where the line is, and they don't know if/when to stop, and many people probably get addicted to the principle of not actually wasting 3 hours of their time to watch another LS claim, and that drives them to keep going.

At any rate, it is true that the problem isn't really the game, it's the people. But in so many cases, for so many things, problems with ItemA could only be resolved with modifications to ItemB, especially when you're talking about one side being human and one side being a machine. The difference being that people are capable of exploiting any little thing they find, given someone has the ingenuity to do so, and the machine is not.

Just another case about how Man infinitely dominates over Machine, and it's just a matter of time before SE (or someone else?) finds a way to handle said machine. And even so, this happening will only result in people just finding another way around the machine, for more people to find another fix to.

OR READ THE SPARK NOTES VERSION

Spoiler: show

Sure there's ways to stop botting, but the solutions would only stop botting for so long until someone finds a new way to do it. Which just starts the process all over again.

Circle of Life go!

[DAKPluto]

MeteorShower? WTF has gone on w/ Cerberus since I transfered?

MS has always been there. Like literally 4+ years.

As Eanae said, they don't show up often. Only when it's in prime time for Japan, but every time they show up it's like 100% HQ pop and they always claim. They apparently RMTed for the full JP Button.

But thank god they only show like once every 2-3 months.

[fndragon]

If you go to ffxiah.com or the homepage of just about any HNMLS, you will see that they sell ra/ex from Kings to people that are too impatient to go after the "obtainable elsewhere" gear.

Then they take this gil and buy more currency for a relic weapon circle jerk.

^ This. If you were, you know, curious where the dynamis coin inflation was coming from. (well, besides the influx from Wildgrass gardening).

[Cairthenn]

Obviously Fafnir should just pop after the Darters are left alive for an extended period of time.

[braaaanch]

surprised at 4 pages

hey friend <3

[ringthree]

Hey wait is this the part of the thread when we say "everyone does it" so the botters can justify to themselves that its cool to bot? Or did I already miss that, I have to admit tl;dr on this thread but I figure it has to happen at least once in every botting thread.

<3

Just absolute <3.

[Kaces]

aye.


But honestly, best fucking claim tool on Cerberus isn't Ka, isn't App, Argus, NASA, XiClaim, etc. Best claim tool is a MeteorShower pearl.

I for the life of me will never understand how those guys do it....

OMFG SOMEONE DIDNT CALL IT KACES BOT

[Damane]

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Regarding to the overcrowding of Kings

Regarding to the overcrowding of kings the following adjustments have been made to the following three ares:
Behemoth's Dominion
Dragon's Aery
Valley of Sorrows

Upon entry of one of theese 3 areas a player can choose 1 of the 3 instanced zones that are identicly build up (example: Dragon's Aery 1, Dragon's Aery 2, Dragon's Eary 3).
Entrance is allowed for up to 36 PCs, at which point the instance gets closed, allowing for a maximum of 108 people scattered around all 3 instances.

The following restrictions have also been made to level requirement in order to enter said areas:
Dragon's Aery: lvl requirement 70
Behemoth's Dominion: lvl requirement 30
Valley of Sorrow: lvl requirement 60

5 hours after your entry time, your PC will get automaticly moved to their respective homepoint and will not be able to reenter same area for 2 hours.
This will also occure at some special cases:
- PC warps out or gets warped out
- PC leaves area

Further logging out or loosing Connections results in an automatic warp to the PCs homepoint and a restriction to reenter said areas for 2 hours.

Regarding Notorious Monsters Fafnir, Nidhogg, Behemoth, King Behemoth, Adamntoise, Aspidochelone:
- NM will only pop in one of the respectiv 3 identic instances randomly.
- Upon Pop and defeat of said notorious monsters an announcement is made in the identical Instances.
- In case of activated rage mode (after 1 hour fight) the Notorious Monster disapears from the Instance and reapears reseted into any of the other 2 instances.

The Level and HP of theese NMs has been raised:
- Fafnir lvl 95
- Nidhogg lvl 95
- King Behemoth lvl 95
- Aspidochelone lvl 95


In accordance to this, some changes have been made to Monsters apearing in said areas:
- Darters are now aggressive to sound and visibility (Dragon's Aery)
- Nightmare Bats (lvl 77-79) will now pop dureing night time at the same place as the Notorious monster Behemoth/King Behemoth.
- The Level of the Thunder Elements in Behemoth's Dominion has been raised to level 80-82
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Just an idea. Wouldnt stop boting but hei at least a bit refreshing.

Edit: god my english is bad :/

[Unstable]

"NASA" isn't the only packet bot avaliable to compete with. Cerberus has real competition and neither ls uses that crappy piece of software. Right Dak? <3

Edit to post above me: I don't use Maury's bot. It's not as great as you all think it is. Tried and tested on Cerberus.

The idea behind it is great. But when you are fighting for claim against over bots. Your going to need something more advance, like knowing how long claim shield is or how to slow down other peoples claim tools. >_> Be amazed how far some people will go. Know a rival LS "hack" another LS.

[Uubu]

making the the 3 kings harder has been long overdue -.-

and ka..