Job Adjustments and Additions Part II (03/30/2009)

[Octavious]

Get over your damn self don't expect something "godly" when RDM wasn't in the same spot WHM (or SCH a while back) was in regards to the last patch notes. You wanted "something" and well, heres "something" and that "something" has yet to be tested.

Ugh, WHM wasn't outdone by RDM endgame, i don't see how people kept complaining it was. Either you people dealt with fail WHMs or your not playing WHM right.

[shaddix]

Dammit people, stop reusing the same random quotes twice in the same thread or even on the same day, it doesn't make them any more amusing or funny or cute.

I love that quote though hahaha, I think I will buy moral orel dvds.

http://www.uncle-andrew.net/blog/pics/moral_orel.jpg

[Day]

I keep seeing "this job needs this this job doesn't need that" all that sounds like opinion to me. Quite frankly, I could easily say all jobs are complete and nothing needs an update and it would hold about the same amount of water. Just because you feel a job "needs" something doesn't mean that it actually does or vice versa.

You "need" to get your head out of your asses.

[Kaiyoko]

Only thing I'm happy about is I dont have to cast refresh and haste on myself as much ~.~

[Wulfgang]

Where are my new DRK spells

[Kyreth]

But the point is, RDM has its update, we don't get another one for 5 more years otherwise everyone will go batshit about it.

And besides WHM, what job on that list got any attention from square recently?

Honestly? I think SE has discovered we're so good that anything significant plugged in from other jobs makes us near broken, and anything added to our own job = broken to SE.

That being said, to my absolute horror this update means RDM melee. With Staves. Actually does something (pathetically). What. The. Fuck.

Anyone still got that RDM/Penny Arcade shoop from the Absolute Virtue threads? Applies now.

/facepalm

I can at least hope that Enspell II deals enough damage to make soloing more effective, though. It's a small buff, but it's not a nerf.

[Midnightjade]

And they should get something worthwhile. They were one of the jobs that needed whm-length updates the most.

I'd agree with this. I have BST at 75 with good gear and merits, but these days I barely touch it.

It's not required for events, never gets meripo invites, and is routinely out-soloed by both RDM and NIN (and sometimes by BLM). Sometimes I wonder why I leveled this and not RDM.

[pchan]

I bet composure will give you +30 sec duration, essentially compensating the mp lost for self refresh. Recast delay is not an issue, fast-*cast* still remains. If you want recast down don't use it...

[Ashira]

Ugh, WHM wasn't outdone by RDM endgame, i don't see how people kept complaining it was. Either you people dealt with fail WHMs or your not playing WHM right.

Agreed. Which is probably the case, there are a lot of WHMs out there who heal perfectly fine, but that's all they do. And too many people figure that as long as they're not dying, then their WHM is doing a fine job. Honestly, I always get a little miffed when I'm asked to go something other than WHM on certain fights in our shell - I'm usually needed as something else, so I understand that, but then they go and give the WHM to someone who doesn't see WHM as anything but a cure bomb job. I gladly welcome these additions, like I've said before, things like this with more things to use will further the gap between fine WHMs and good WHMs.

I love that quote though hahaha, I think I will buy moral orel dvds.

I had a feeling that was a dumb churchy quote, even if it is poking fun.

[Meian]

Ugh, WHM wasn't outdone by RDM endgame, i don't see how people kept complaining it was. Either you people dealt with fail WHMs or your not playing WHM right.

I'm playing it fine thanks.

I was referring more to how, outside of Shell V and R3 (lolhaste with 1349278 RDM running around), I was able to do more on SCH even as /SCH. Found WHM more fun to heal with (RR3 always fun fun to make me the lazy man sometimes).

Yea, people loveeeee inviting WHM to merit over RDM too.

Point is, if it was "between" WHM and RDM you have to be KIDDING yourself if you think RDM needed to be chosen over WHM.

Concern remains for SMN now since they are looking really bad at healing as a comparision at this point but they will still be invited as last resort ones XD

[Isiolia]

Ugh, WHM wasn't outdone by RDM endgame, i don't see how people kept complaining it was. Either you people dealt with fail WHMs or your not playing WHM right.

Lotta WHMs I've seen have basically commented that WHM/SCH "fixed" WHM...I mean, granted, /SCH is not integral to the WHM job, but still... The job wasn't in as dire a situation as the disparity between updates would indicate.

[Gergall]

It will have to be about 60 damage a swing to make up for the fact that multi-hit weapons and dual wielding are now no longer have en-spell damage for RDMs.

Dual Wield hits might (SHOULD) still get the en-spell damage because you are waiting an appropriate delay between pairs of hits. Even if the damage from En-spell II is very high, the player deserves to have it proc twice when dual wielding due to the delay.

If the added damage is only removed from Double Attack and Joytoy type added hits, I think everything is fair. Even if Composure completely sucks and nobody uses it, the En-spell IIs will be a minor solo boost for a job that was already very good at solo.

[Pooky]

People are whining about RDM getting something "bad" when they are the nearest to completed job? Further more, complaining without seeing how the enspells will work?

Get over your damn self don't expect something "godly" when RDM wasn't in the same spot WHM (or SCH a while back) was in regards to the last patch notes. You wanted "something" and well, heres "something" and that "something" has yet to be tested.

As for SMN... damn they didn't mention the increase range yet >_< guess no avatars or range increase yet unless they put it in last minute but doubtful who knows heh. Weird, they put these patch notes last but I guess they were more anticipated than WHM's was.

But hey, they are buffing merit BP for like the 2nd time or 3rd don't remember anymore. Hopefully, again, it will be better...

People are whining because they were hoping that se would fix the problems with the job (mainly enfeebling magic), where instead they were given a new toy for allatards.

It doesn't matter how effective these enspells are, because at the end of the day, they're still fucking ENSPELLS. Few people if any will even use them outside of solo, and the ones that try to use them in a hnm/party setting will still be laughed at for meleeing.

So yes, people are upset. Way to go everyone who cried about rdm needing melée buffs, here's your rare job adjustment; enjoy your cheese sandwich.

Edit: I'm not saying that rdm should have gotten an update over other jobs; god knows there are jobs that need it more. However if we was going to update rdm, at least make it useful.

[Meian]

Lotta WHMs I've seen have basically commented that WHM/SCH "fixed" WHM...I mean, granted, /SCH is not integral to the WHM job, but still... The job wasn't in as dire a situation as the disparity between updates would indicate.

And where are these said people who /SCH besides two people I know and myself on Hades? None of them want to get rid of their /SMN for 1 tic Refresh or /BLM for Warp. /SCH was a godsend but they don't want to use it either out of stubbornness or too lazy to do another sub.

[Maxxthepenguin]

People are whining because they were hoping that se would fix the problems with the job (mainly enfeebling magic), where instead they were given a new toy for allatards.

It doesn't matter how effective these enspells are, because at the end of the day, they're still fucking ENSPELLS. Few people if any will even use them outside of solo, and the ones that try to use them in a hnm/party setting will still be laughed at for meleeing.

So yes, people are upset. Way to go everyone who cried about rdm needing melée buffs, here's your rare job adjustment; enjoy your cheese sandwich.

^truth

Not because this person is insightful. Not because this should be true. But it is true because of the slave to stupid tradition that dictates how people still play to this day.

[Day]

You really expect me to believe only 2 WHM on Hades go /SCH?

[Tsuki]

And where are these said people who /SCH besides two people I know and myself on Hades? None of them want to get rid of their /SMN for 1 tic Refresh or /BLM for Warp. /SCH was a godsend but they don't want to use it either out of stubbornness or too lazy to do another sub.

wowwwww I can't believe this.

[Meian]

You really expect me to believe only 2 WHM on Hades go /SCH?

From my post I said 3 including myself but yes they are rare =p Took a long time to get my friend to start leveling it he may be number 4 now. And silly boy, you should understand I am exaggerating since I didn't conduct a census with every char but saying it based on observation.

Then again, it is Hades...

[Ashira]

Yea, people loveeeee inviting WHM to merit over RDM too.

I know a lot of people who'd rather invite my WHM to merit over an unknown RDM or a number of RDMs we do know too.

[Destinye]

People are crying about RDM's enfeebling...? Really? They already boosted them AND RDM's enfeebling skill, can RDMs STILL not land debuffs or something?