Job Adjustments and Additions Part II (03/30/2009)

[Gtype954]

So, they're skipping part 2 right? This just has to be an early April Fool's joke.

They also made no mention of any new avatar or the Bloodact Rage timer giving back TP and recast time when it gets interuppted which I know that SMN fix was at least on the way. Maybe April 2nd, we get the rest of the stuff if any.

I was expecting more from rdm simply cause whm got alot and they put whm in the notes first saving the best for last.... Then again, RDM didn't need much a fix as much as WHM did.

EDIT: I also wonder if the En-spell II can be casted on other Party Members like Phanlax II.
Then you can be a resfresh,haste, and en-spell whore lol.

[Stiker]

You know...I just had this great vision of a melee RDM using an enspell II elemental wheel.

...well, except replace great with fucking retarded.

[Seraph]

That's what I'm trying to tell them. Odds are, we'll get tweaks. We probably won't get a Rage BP range increase, but they didn't mention that a failure won't cause mp to be used, nor reset the timer. Which I suppose is almost as good. But it sounds like that change won't happen until next update.

And yes, I'm hoping for a ward duration increase as well.

They may have not implemented the 'ranged BP' fix because it would eliminate one of the benefits of Diabolos.

[Indalecia]

Nether blast doesnt resist.

[Skjie]

Melee additions that make meleeing harder are not useful additions. Happy Birthday to me indeed.

[perdition]

At first look this is very disappointing. I don't see a ton of usefulness, unless the enspells do a ton of dmg, and the RDM engaged with the mob is not tasked with the responsibility of debuffing the mob. On an endgame level, I can see one RDM meleeing and weakening the mob with enspells + mythic WS, and another RDM focusing on debuffs. It could have some use, but it depends on how it is executed. The enspells will have to be high dmg, resist free and when they weaken a mob to an element, it needs to be significantly.

[Starless]

Three jobs got some buffs, of various magnitudes. Two of them are complaining.

Seventeen jobs got nothing. They're keeping rather quiet.

[Kenji]

They may have not implemented the 'ranged BP' fix because it would eliminate one of the benefits of Diabolos.

That's the main reason why I don't think we'll get a Rage range increase. Nether Blast specifically says it's ranged. That would negate it's advantage. I think the 75 merit BPs have some range on them, too.

[loyaltrekie]

Merit BPs better match or be better then BLM AM II....I demand 1.5k dmg and 2.5-3k with MB. This is NOT a job adjustment for SMN at all. This is "oh I'm sorry this is how SMN should have been 6 years ago, we'll fix it now."

Cool story bro.

I really wish your posts were at least somewhat constructive at all. Stop your crying and butt hurt because "SMN has been broken for 6 years". Honestly, it doesn't even sound like you know how SE could fix SMN either.

This update definetly lacks the "Wow" factor that the WHM update did, but honestly, RDM got En-Spell 2 which people all over the community have been complaining about for years. RDM doesn't honestly need anything.

Following that same line of thought, if BLM gets a melee update I will be pretty sad, I don't think I have actually ever engaged anything on BLM <_<

[perdition]

Three jobs got some buffs, of various magnitudes. Two of them are complaining.

Seventeen jobs got nothing. They're keeping rather quiet.

Outside of Merit abilities, RDM has seen very few updates in the past five years I've been around. Ppl are upset because we waited a long time, and when we do get a new abilities, they look like shit.

SE could have left out the melee bit, and gave us more useful spells or abilities. The verdict is still out on how useful this will be, but nerfing a rdm's recast timers is not the way to make the player base happy.

[Hyan]

Three jobs got some buffs, of various magnitudes. Two of them are complaining.

Seventeen jobs got nothing. They're keeping rather quiet.

One more time. This doesn't mean that all the job updates are in these 2 update notes. March update for example last year buffed WAR (Retaliation), THF (Collaborator), BST (new pet food, reward recast time shortened), SAM (Sekkanoki), DRG (Wyvern gets stronger as you gain exp), BLU (several new spells), and COR (DNC & SCH rolls, "charges" for Quick draw). None of these buffs were in the preview notes, first time we heard of them was when the final update note was released.

[Meian]

They may have not implemented the 'ranged BP' fix because it would eliminate one of the benefits of Diabolos.

Ballista increased the physical range but you can always "lolballista" or "lolrunawayfromrange."

Don't forget, merit BP has long range too although I don't remember if it is the same range as Nether Blast. The uniqueness was that it doesn't "resist" outside of weather/day/elementalish and flat out magic reduction on everyone.

SE making it too complicated just give the damn Ballista-style range increase and increase Ward duration seesh.

[Tarage]

Considering I wasn't expecting anything for SMN... this is welcome. I kinda wish we had a new avatar...

[Belgaer]

Refresh II in that Composure + Refresh on self = longer lasting Refresh, which is what some suggestions for a Refresh II spell have been.

Not really. It's only going to be practical when you're alone, and only if you're not /NIN (unless you're /NIN for DD, for whatever reason). Sacrificing Cure and Haste recast timers for a longer Refresh duration for yourself isn't going to work. It's just going to hurt a lot more than help.

[Raineer]

Three jobs got some buffs, of various magnitudes. Two of them are complaining.

Seventeen jobs got nothing. They're keeping rather quiet.

What job do you play? I'm sure I can create a wonderful looking update which addresses a segment of your job that doesn't need addressing.

And then, once you realize you will see no adjustments for another few years, you might potentially QQ

edit: When you introduce a JA for redmage, it is going to be scrutinized all to hell. This isn't like adding a 17th for SAM,WAR,SCH,SAM,SAM,SAM, etc

Just wait until a JA for NIN is introduced (RDM doesn't even get a meritable JA). Hell, NIN is a melee caster, enjoy more accuracy for double your spell timers. Enjoy!

[lost071]

Three jobs got some buffs, of various magnitudes. Two of them are complaining.

Seventeen jobs got nothing. They're keeping rather quiet.

Well if they got buffs this update, chances are they will not see anything for a while unless you're a SAM

[Shassira]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH xD

I swear, this update made my day and reading this full thread made it even better!

So RDMs didn't get a WHM-caliber update and now they are all crying because SE has forgotten about them. I only have one thing to say to you: Play another job. In fact, go play BST, you will understand.

"But I can't land some enfeebles on some of the HNMs I do!" -> Guess what, some jobs can't land WSs, JAs, or even spells... because they never get to fight them.

The only thing that saddens me is the chance of this being trully the last job update of the patch and the fact they wasted time on giving RDM, a job that is perfectly placed on everything that can be done in game, time and a chance at job updates that could've gone to more deserving and needed jobs. But the tears have been worth it I guess. Not to mention this could be slightly useful in some situations... go talk to some MNKs about Footwork before you cry much more


Now about SMN... well, i'm happy but I feel like it's incomplete. In more detail:

- Effective range of Wards changed to Protectra range: Yeeeeees. This is so neat, i've been waiting for this forever. This means you can finaly send your pet to engage a mob and cast your Ward so you don't have to enter AoE range and take 10 seconds just to finish the stupid casting, only to get hit by AoE when you are already running out of range. Even if you time this perfectly with monster TP moves, the delays are so horrendous you are likely to get hit by AoE... specialy on a >25% HP mob.

- Blood Pact: Ward "Hastega" fix: Uh... ok. So they changed the spell's priority rating, big deal of an update. This isn't even worth a screenshot XD (I know the screenshot is also showing the increased Ward range though).

- Lv75 Magic BPs: Will this finaly make my wasted merits worth? I want to see this

So yes, something is missing here. This doesn't drasticly change SMN nor gives it the buff it needs. It's not too hard to fix summoner for me though, I just think they need to do this one single thing:

- Improve all Ward BPs so they don't suck. All of them. Make Fenrir buffs significant, make Ifrit's warcry last longer, make Titan's SS's potency modifiable by SMN skill, make Diabolo's Phalanx reach SCH's level with enough SMN skill, make Rolling Thunder last longer, and for the love of all that's holy in vana'diel, make Carbuncle's wards last long enough and change them so they aren't worthless (random buffs... wut?). SMN is easy to fix, it has all the tools that it needs to be a good job, except they all suck as of now.

New avatars? Whatever.

[Xno Kappa]

Three jobs got some buffs, of various magnitudes. Two of them are complaining.

Seventeen jobs got nothing. They're keeping rather quiet.

I seriously must have imagined all the nut licking SE did to some jobs in the past.

[Tempyst]

Not really. It's only going to be practical when you're alone, and only if you're not /NIN (unless you're /NIN for DD, for whatever reason). Sacrificing Cure and Haste recast timers for a longer Refresh duration for yourself isn't going to work. It's just going to hurt a lot more than help.

Composure -> Refresh -> Cancel Composure

for the fifteenth time

[Destinye]

Outside of Merit abilities, RDM has seen very few updates in the past five years I've been around. Ppl are upset because we waited a long time, and when we do get a new abilities, they look like shit.

SE could have left out the melee bit, and gave us more useful spells or abilities. The verdict is still out on how useful this will be, but nerfing a rdm's recast timers is not the way to make the player base happy.

Positive:

Refresh
Convert
Higher Sword Skill
Higher Dagger Skill
Better En-spell damage
Higher Enfeebling Magic Skill

*New*
Merits
Tier II Merits
Composure
En Spell II

"Negative"

-No more Cure V
-No more Flash
-No more Marksmanship skill

Yep..RDM has been ignored these past 5+ years.