Job Adjustments and Additions Part II (03/30/2009)

[Belgaer]

Composure -> Refresh -> Cancel Composure

for the fifteenth time

It's a 5 min recast, nub. I'd be surprised if it makes Refresh last longer than a 3 min and 30 sec. It would only work on every other cast. That's hardly the same as the Refresh II you wanted.

[Toth]

Composure -> Refresh -> Cancel Composure

for the fifteenth time

Highly likely that the increase in spell duration is tied to having Composure activated.

[Xno Kappa]

Stupid shit that was before NA PC release.

Anyone else I would think it's a whoosh. Being that it's you, well...retarded people are retarded.

[Skjie]

Three jobs got some buffs, of various magnitudes. Two of them are complaining.

Seventeen jobs got nothing. They're keeping rather quiet.

The thing a lot of people are missing is that there is a problem with Red Mage: Enfeebles. Some sort of half hearted melee buff isn't helpful.

[Destinye]

Anyone else I would think it's a whoosh. Being that it's you, well...retarded people are retarded.

Indeed, because RDM has seen OH SO FEW adjustments and additions over the past 5+ years.

[Talint]

This is neither here nor there:

If the Enspell II won't proc on a double attack hit, does this mean that if a Samba Daze is on the mob, they'll get the daze on the second hit instead?

Food for thought, I suppose.

[Raineer]

This is neither here nor there:

If the Enspell II won't proc on a double attack hit, does this mean that if a Samba Daze is on the mob, they'll get the daze on the second hit instead?

Food for thought, I suppose.

it would make sense that it would.

[Isiolia]

Positive:

Refresh
Convert
Higher Sword Skill
Higher Dagger Skill
Better En-spell damage
Higher Enfeebling Magic Skill

*New*
Merits
Tier II Merits
Composure
En Spell II

"Negative"

-No more Cure V
-No more Flash
-No more Marksmanship skill

Yep..RDM has been ignored these past 5+ years.

Don't forget nerfed Gravity n' stuff...

Also figure that, while RDM did get Convert and all that put in (prior to that it was the job nobody wanted), that was also at a time when lots of jobs were getting lots of additions and tweaks. Tier II merits, while nice, aren't exactly new capabilities outside of Phalanx II.

RDM has seen very little since FFXI hit retail shelves outside of Japan, which is the experience most of us are looking at.

[geno3302]

Slight derail.

I'd like to point out that AM II are some of the least efficient spells in the game, even fully merited. They sit ahead of -ga III spells, which should only ever be used to clear out groups of weak enemeies, Tier II spells, and the original AM line.

Fun toy for the animations? Sure. Useful in any real situation outside Manafont? Fuck. No.

AM II are a 20% increase in damage for 68% more MP spent than a Tier IV spell. =/= efficient.

That said, lol @RDMs still being the most powerful job in the game, and it's too bad SE has no idea what to do with SMN.

Sorry, let me restate.

Freeze: 307 MP, Casting Time: 17.75 seconds, Recast Time: 90 seconds, base dmg: 577
Freeze II: 287 MP, Casting Time: 10 seconds, Recast Time: 90 seconds, base dmg: 710

level 70 BP: 164 MP, dmg(spiders outside aht urhgan) around 1600-2000.
Merit BP: 182 MP, dmg(spiders outside aht urhgan) 5/5 merits and 5/5 MAB merits 1175, with MB 1527. Less DMG on same mob, even with MB, for more MP.

So I would take a 20% increase in dmg for 68% more MP, what we got was about a 10% increase in MP cost for a -5% to -24% decrease in damage...and that's with MB the best case. I picked EP mobs because anything IT+ and you'll start to see frequent resists, way more resists then the misses you'd get from Predator Claws or Spinning Dive.

The only time they are even slightly useful is when a monster resists physical damage, and even then Nether blast doesn't generally get resisted for 50 dmg and it's only 108 MP.

To all the people saying SMN doesn't need some fix or change, then why don't we get into merit PTs? BLM is the same. Just because we do well in end game events cause of a technicality, that we get no hate for dmg(or blms doing good dmg and crowd control), does not make up for the fact that everywhere else we suffer.

SMN now is perfect for the game 4 years ago, before ToAU. In a traditional PT set up with SCs and MBs.

[Destinye]

Yep, which is why I say compared to other jobs, it's pretty clear that RDM doesn't really...need much of anything nowadays compared to a job like SMN. Then you have the whole NIN situation which went from a non-tank job to a tank job and since it's completely different than how SE designed it to be it would be hard to make additions/adjustments for.

RDM though...what exactly is wrong with it? What more does it need when just in this thread alone you can read about all that a (good) RDM can do..compared to hearing about SMN you hear all that it CAN'T do because of 'x reason.'

[Maxxthepenguin]

To all the people saying SMN doesn't need some fix or change, then why don't we get into merit PTs?

By that standard, PLD is useless and needs a buff.

[geno3302]

By that standard, PLD is useless and needs a buff.

I've had PLDs /NIN geared for DD in merit PTs, I have never once been a SMN in, or been with a SMN in, a merit PT. But yes, PLD, BLM and SMN are suited more for the traditional PT set up. I've actually had a BLM once @ mamool camp as well, though they need to be brought back into the PT scene.

[Tempyst]

It's a 5 min recast, nub. I'd be surprised if it makes Refresh last longer than a 3 min and 30 sec. It would only work on every other cast. That's hardly the same as the Refresh II you wanted.

Or it'll double the duration and you can use it every time.

I can play the speculation game too!

[Ultimagi]

I've had a pretty good Summoner main healing for a merit party before.

[Indalecia]

By that standard, PLD is useless and needs a buff.

You're gonna pigeon hole the one flaw in his entire statement of truth?

[Tempyst]

Highly likely that the increase in spell duration is tied to having Composure activated.

Really? Says who?

[drwaffles]

What the fuck are you talking about? SMN is the single best exp job in the game hands-down.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Really? Says who?

The people who speculate things that would be way too complicated to be worth SE's time to bother doing.

They aren't going to cancel your buffs if you cancel Composure.

[Tempyst]

The people who speculate things that would be way too complicated to be worth SE's time to bother doing.

What an authority!

[Seraph]

What are people realistically expecting for the buff increase %, and the recast % penalty? I'm thinking something like +100% duration and +50% recast penalty.